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A Rashi Decision: Learning Ladino | ||
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| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5044 days ago 2237 posts - 6731 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 17 of 85 31 January 2014 at 2:38am | IP Logged | ||
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I am currently reading "El princhipiko" (The Little Prince) in Ladino, both in Latin and Rashi script. Having the parallel text is a big help. I could learn this language without Rashi or Solitreo )Ladino cursive handwriting), definitely quicker, but I would be cheating myself out of 500 years of Ladino writing. Also, that would make this project just another variation on a common theme- like learning Catalan or Galician- which I may do someday (What am I thinking!).
Ladino was never standardized throughout its long history. The language started to be written in the Latin alphabet about the middle of the 19th century with several different orthographies. The rise of Kemal Ataturk in postwar Turkey pretty much ended Rashi and Solitreo use. Ladino is still written in two different orthographies but the Aki Yerushalayim grafiya is the standard in Israel and the Ladinokomuinta forum. Rashi script is fun to read. I feel like a little kindergartner again learning to read! When I get confused and have to check the parallel text, it is so easy to lose my place. I expect that will get better with time as I finish the book. Speaking of which, I have just ordered A Jewish Voice from Ottoman Salonica: The Ladino Memoir of Sa'adi Besalel a-Levi which will be a really cool addition to my multi-track materials and should help me to better understand the culture of the people. The book is bilingual English/Ladino and the companion website has the original scanned Solitreo handwriting available.
You've got to love academics- "lacuna"! Ha! I wouldn't have known this word without having learned it in Portuguese- "a blank" in more everyday English. So, with the help of a great website LadinoType and this bilingual memoir, I hope to also be able to read, if not write, Solitreo. Vamos ver! Edited by iguanamon on 31 January 2014 at 3:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 5843 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 18 of 85 31 January 2014 at 3:04am | IP Logged | ||
Hay peores sitios para atascarse. As far as languages are concerned, apart from the half dozen obvious ones (which include Basque, one of the most fascinating languages in the world), this peninsula has also other untapped treasures, like the Andalusi dialect of Arabic or the still-surviving dialects from vanished Iberian kingdoms (Asturo-Leonese languages, anyone?). "Your" Ladino is just one pearl in the necklace. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4470 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 19 of 85 31 January 2014 at 3:47am | IP Logged | ||
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I think a lot of us at HTLAL get sucked into one particular area or another in our language pursuits. One could
accuse me of having a focus that could be defined as narrowly as, e.g., languages of Jews in the Benelux (Dutch, French, German, Hebrew, Yiddish). Now I'm breaking out of that shell and leaping into Russian. Maybe it's not THAT big a leap...perhaps someday you'll also take a giant leap away from Iberia and take up Occitan? EDIT: Nevermind, I'm now informed that Occitan technically qualifies as a language of Iberia. Pretend I said (Franco-?)Provençal. Edited by geoffw on 31 January 2014 at 3:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Vos Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5348 days ago 766 posts - 1020 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Dutch, Polish | Message 20 of 85 31 January 2014 at 9:03am | IP Logged | ||
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Pues, después de haber leído eso creo que no voy a intentar aprender el portugués.. solamente por el temor de
ponerme tan confundido que deshaga todo lo que he aprendido y acabe hablando una especie de lengua mezclada la que nadie puede entender. ¿A quién no le guste? Son unas zonas tan ricas de historia, culturas y lenguas que uno podría pasar toda su vida sumergiéndose en todo lo que tienen para ofrecer. Así que te lo entiendo por completo. ¿Has pensado nunca en aprender el quechua o el aymara entonces? Esos sí me interesan. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| akkadboy Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5190 days ago 264 posts - 497 votes Speaks: French*, English, Yiddish Studies: Latin, Ancient Egyptian, Welsh | Message 21 of 85 31 January 2014 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Radio Sefarad has a weekly program in Ladino, the last 200 being available (by the way, they also have one in Yiddish I knew nothing about) :-)
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| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5044 days ago 2237 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 22 of 85 31 January 2014 at 1:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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Mersi muncho, akkadboy! This is great! I can download the programs in mp3, too. I listen to the weekly Emisión en sefardí de Radio Nacional de España and Kol Israel Ladino has a 15 minute newscast. The RNE program is downloadable but for the life of me I can't figure out how to download the Kol Israel broadcast. My flash grabber won't work. Going to page source is no help in finding the swf file.
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| akkadboy Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5190 days ago 264 posts - 497 votes Speaks: French*, English, Yiddish Studies: Latin, Ancient Egyptian, Welsh | Message 23 of 85 31 January 2014 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | ||
I have exactly the same problem with the Yiddish broadcast (and was secretly hoping that you would find a way :-)) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4948 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 24 of 85 31 January 2014 at 10:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've just taken the time to browse through this log, iguanamon ! Good luck at your newest
project. You do seem to have an empathy with everything Iberian. You brought some interesting information, thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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