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| Belle700 Senior Member United States Joined 5483 days ago 128 posts - 143 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 1 of 9 10 February 2014 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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What is the history behind the pronunciation of Spanish in the Americas and how it
differs from the Spanish spoken in Spain (Castilian Spanish)? I read somewhere that the reason why Spanish speakers in the US speak with seseo and most Spanish speakers in Spain speak with ceceo or distinción is because most of the Spaniards that came to the US were from parts of Spain that spoke with seseo. Is that correct? I am interested in learning the history behind the accent and/or pronunciation differences. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4455 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 2 of 9 10 February 2014 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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-A 'golden age of development' commenced in Seville, due to its being the only port awarded the royal monopoly for trade with the growing Spanish colonies in the Americas and the influx of riches from them. Since only sailing ships leaving from and returning to the inland port of Seville could engage in trade with the Spanish Americas, merchants from Europe and other trade centers needed to go to Seville to acquire New World trade goods.- (Wiki)
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| Belle700 Senior Member United States Joined 5483 days ago 128 posts - 143 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 3 of 9 10 February 2014 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | ||
I did have a look at this map of seseo, ceceo and distinción: map of seseo, ceceo and distincion Sevilla is an island of seseo in the middle of a ceceo area, but the island of seseo speakers where Sevilla is located is onon the edge of the ceceo area very near to the main seseo population. Does this mean that centuries ago, the seseo area in which Sevilla is located was larger and that since then, the ceceo population surrounded it? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4455 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 4 of 9 10 February 2014 at 6:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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I guess in provinces of Seville and Cádiz the capitals being seseantes is just another way to say ''I'm from the capital of the province, and not from the rural part of the province'' (Compare it to the situation in S. Francisco, not so long ago, the accent used in S. Francisco stood out against other Californian accents, especially the ones ''across the bay'' (in Livermore, Sacramento etc). Edited by Medulin on 10 February 2014 at 6:35pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Belle700 Senior Member United States Joined 5483 days ago 128 posts - 143 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 5 of 9 10 February 2014 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | ||
Does that then imply that the Spaniards that came to America were mostly from the capital city? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5013 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 6 of 9 10 February 2014 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | ||
I'd take such maps with a handful of salt. Granada is in a supposedly predominant 'ceceo' area, and most of the people I actually hear there speak making the distinction, and 'seseo' is not rare at all. Of course the three variants coexist, but I doubt the distribution is specially stable, let alone permanent. That map is either outdated (by how much? no idea), or it was never very accurate. Even members of the same family raised together may develop different accents, so I don't think it's especially easy to get reliable data in the first place. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4455 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 7 of 9 11 February 2014 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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In Málaga, men tend to be ceceantes, while women tend to be seseantes. ;)
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| haitike Newbie Spain Joined 4234 days ago 25 posts - 35 votes Speaks: Spanish* Studies: EnglishB1, Arabic (Written), Japanese | Message 8 of 9 12 February 2014 at 8:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm from Granada and my father is from a Sevilla village (not capital). We both have Ceceo. But my mother is from a Granada like me. She and my two brothers make distinción.
So I think is quite common to make distinción in Granada. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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