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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3880 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes  Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 9 of 16 11 March 2014 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well this is interesting. Spanish does indeed have these 4 versions.
But German seems to be missing the LL Advanced version. Now to see if LL Ultimate advanced German differs from LL Beyond the basics German. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hungringo Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 3786 days ago 168 posts - 329 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, English, Spanish Studies: French | Message 10 of 16 11 March 2014 at 10:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have German beyond the basics if anyone has LL Ultimate Advanced German we can make a comparision. Edited by Hungringo on 11 March 2014 at 10:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| James29 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5173 days ago 1265 posts - 2113 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French | Message 11 of 16 11 March 2014 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have LL Spanish Beyond the Basics and LL Ultimate Advanced and they both have twenty dialogues, exercises and grammar points. However, they are totally different. Ultimate has slightly longer dialogues and has more material. Here are links to the two I have:
Spanish Beyond the Basics Ultimate Advanced Spanish It does not look like they offer the Ultimate Advanced version with CDs anymore. However, the course is widely available in US libraries. Edit: They are both very good courses. Edited by James29 on 11 March 2014 at 10:29pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Speakeasy Senior Member Canada Joined 3850 days ago 507 posts - 1098 votes Studies: German | Message 12 of 16 11 March 2014 at 11:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have both of the Living Language German courses: Beyond the Basics, and Ultimate-Advanced. They are both very good and I find that they complement each other very nicely. Nevertheless, in my opinion, the Ultimate-Advanced course is superior in all respects.
In both cases, the basics of German grammar are reviewed and a few refinements are included that were not presented in the Complete Basics or Ultimate-Beginner-Intermediate courses. However, neither of them includes the in-depth explanations that one would find in most Intermediate German Grammars. Not surprisingly, the vocabulary and dialogues differ quite a lot. The Beyond the Basics course includes 4 cds, whereas the Ultimate-Advanced course includes 8 cds. There is, indeed, more material in the latter course, which includes some short exercises. However, a portion of the additional audio in Ultimate-Advanced is taken up in a "spaced repetition" of the dialogues. Evaluating the CEFR level of a given course is never an easy task; however, I would hazard a guess at B2 for both courses. In comparison, I found the Linguaphone Advanced German course decidedly more challenging; so much more so that I would recommend covering one of the Living Language Advanced courses before attempting it. Edited by Speakeasy on 11 March 2014 at 11:43pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| James29 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5173 days ago 1265 posts - 2113 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French | Message 13 of 16 12 March 2014 at 12:51am | IP Logged | ||
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In Spanish, the Beyond the Basics lessons were all slightly easier than the hardest Assimil Spanish with Ease lessons. The Spanish Ultimate-Advanced were probably on par with the hardest Assimil lessons, but noticeably easier than Using Spanish.
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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3880 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 14 of 16 02 April 2014 at 5:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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On a related note, is the LL Complete Basics course different from the LL Ultimate
Beginner-intermediate? http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Ger man-Includes-Coursebook- Dictionary/dp/1400024129 Edited by Gemuse on 02 April 2014 at 5:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5363 days ago 938 posts - 1839 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 15 of 16 02 April 2014 at 6:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yes. It is a different course.
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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3880 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 16 of 16 03 April 2014 at 1:04am | IP Logged | ||
Is it the same book that was published earlier by LL as Conversational German? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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