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| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4449 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 1 of 23 13 March 2014 at 5:14pm | IP Logged |
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First I thought about creating this post in the Technical Room, but then I realised that the subject is more general than that, so here it goes:
In our profiles we indicate the languages that we "speak" and the languages that we "study". For me that poses a problem, namely at which point I should consider that I do not "study" the language any longer but am actually "speaking" it. Here I should say that I find the word "speak" a bit unsatisfactory, because there are a couple of languages that I know passively, but I do not speak them and I do not study them, so I have simply not included them in my list. With regard to two languages I have on my "study" list, Catalan and Romansh, I have a very good grasp of them passively, but I only study them insofar as I read them, listen to radio in them and write the occasional entry in my log in them. I can also speak them but at a pretty basic level, making many mistakes, but I do not have the ambition to be a proficient speaker in them. So should I keep them as languages I study, or could I claim that I "speak" them? I'd be interested to hear on what basis you decide in which category to put a language in your profile. Is it only when you can literally speak the language at an advanced level (e.g. B2)? Or do you think that advanced passive knowledge is sufficient to claim that you "speak" it for the purpose of how you present yourselves in this forum? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4517 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 2 of 23 13 March 2014 at 5:28pm | IP Logged |
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I speak it when I am conversant enough to hold conversations without strain for either
party. B2. Otherwise it's "studies". Study doesn't exclude speak. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |
| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7048 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 3 of 23 13 March 2014 at 5:41pm | IP Logged |
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Yeah I used to mark a language as "speaks" when there's really nothing left to study, and I can speak with a patient native. The consensus for that I was told is B2 passive B1 active. This poses a problem, because I'm done "studying" French, but I'm not using it. Maybe there would be less confusion if those ABC levels were what you had to choose from. Edited by ElComadreja on 13 March 2014 at 5:42pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4446 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 4 of 23 13 March 2014 at 5:44pm | IP Logged |
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I think passive knowledge is sufficient, at least for me. I don't aim to speak fluently in whatever I study. I've only ever worked on passive skills extensively + some writing. I've had maybe 1-2 conversations during the past few years.
For me, I assign intermediate/basic/advanced based on what I can understand on TV/radio and read. I can write decently and probably speak well if I had to, but I can honestly say that whatever active skills I have are from listening and reading. Edited by sillygoose1 on 13 March 2014 at 5:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6407 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 5 of 23 13 March 2014 at 8:32pm | IP Logged |
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Hmm do you do a lot of formal study? In this case it makes sense, yes. I also don't have all that many conversations, but I need to be sure I can have them.
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| outcast Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member China Joined 4759 days ago 869 posts - 1364 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English*, German, Italian, French, Portuguese, Mandarin Studies: Korean | Message 6 of 23 13 March 2014 at 11:49pm | IP Logged |
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I have to be honest, if you can read a language but you can't speak it, then, well... you can't speak it! :)
But I understand the format and layout of the biographical profile is (somewhat understandably) simplified. Ideally, one should be able to choose thus: Native languages: Only languages you learned as a child and still speak today HERE 2nd languages: Only languages you learned to conversational fluency in all areas HERE Passive languages: Only languages you learned passive skills/input HERE - - - - - Learning languages: ANY language you are actively studying HERE(even your native ones!) Wish list: Any language you want to learn HERE 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| chokofingrz Pentaglot Senior Member England Joined 4999 days ago 241 posts - 430 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Japanese, Catalan, Luxembourgish | Message 7 of 23 14 March 2014 at 1:28am | IP Logged |
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It's your profile - you decide!
If you were in a room full of polyglots, would you be comfortable for someone to address you in Catalan? If not, then maybe restrict it to the second category. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5144 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 8 of 23 14 March 2014 at 6:24am | IP Logged |
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I had the same dilemma with Swedish and Danish. I can understand and read 98-99 of both languages, but
would not normally speak them. In the end I removed Danish, because I can speak a sort of Swedish when I have to, but I could not reproduce anything which would be recognized as proper Danish to save my life. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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