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| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3701 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 1 of 8 25 June 2014 at 11:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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roll their R (Alveolar R, like in Italian or Spanish): How did you learn how to do it? Where there certain exercises?
I can do the flipped/single R and I can do uvular trills like a madman, but I have never been able to do the trilled R, even after trying for years (on and off). What did you guys do? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5056 days ago 2237 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 2 of 8 26 June 2014 at 12:52am | IP Logged | ||
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If you ever imitated a machine gun sound as a kid, you can roll an r. Try saying tah-tah-tah 20 or 30 times then try to roll your r- worked for me, ymmv. There's always youtube r rolling video tutorials if all esle fails.
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| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3701 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 3 of 8 27 June 2014 at 11:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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I can do the machine gun sound with the uvular roll (kind of like the sound of Chewbacca from Star Wars). I've watched a bunch of those videos before, but I did just watch for the first time the one with the guy showing how to do it in singing; that one was probably the most helpful so far. I can kind of do it, but it's more of an alveolar roll that's induced by a uvular roll (both at the same time, kind of sounds like a cat's purr) It still doesn't sound right to me though; like there's not enough "click" to it.
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| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 3893 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 4 of 8 28 June 2014 at 8:12am | IP Logged | ||
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Not to steal the thread, but I'm another one of those people who've never been able to master the alveolar trill and I've always wondered where the heck the sound is produced, anatomically. Kind and helpful people always tell me where to put my tongue or things to do to get my tongue in the right position, but the only way I know how to produce an R-sound is from deep within the throat, and I can roll that R (sounds like a snarling dog) just fine starting with the tongue at the alveolar ridge. I'd like to stop doing that, but since no one is able to tell me what I should be doing instead it's been rather fruitless. I feel as though figuring out what one is doing wrong, might be a good place to start?
When I impersonate the most annoying Stockholm accent my fake alveolar Rs come from the back of the mouth, (it's kind of close to producing the SH in the word "short"), but I can't roll that sound, so I'm guessing that's an approximation rather than where the sound is actually produced? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Zireael Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 4445 days ago 518 posts - 636 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, Spanish Studies: German, Sign Language, Tok Pisin, Arabic (Yemeni), Old English | Message 5 of 8 28 June 2014 at 9:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Eydimork, what you have is the French (aka uvular) R. I never mastered the regular (aka alveolar) R either. I had speech therapy as a kid and no one ever corrected this, I guess the Polish specialties like cz rz sz ś were more important :)
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5128 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 6 of 8 29 June 2014 at 12:02am | IP Logged | ||
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The Spanish and Italian r is a piece of cake, but it took me forever to learn the French r.
I am having a lot of fun reading how to pronounce the Spanish one though :-) Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 29 June 2014 at 12:03am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 3893 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 7 of 8 29 June 2014 at 8:48am | IP Logged | ||
I know. Otherwise I wouldn't be trying to learn how to say an alveolar R, which, by the way, isn't a "regular" R any more than my (and your) guttural R. :P 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4501 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 8 of 8 29 June 2014 at 10:23am | IP Logged | ||
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Your r is produced in the same place as a d. (tongue against your alveolar ridge). What
you have to do is tap the ridge instead of completely blocking airflow (d is a stop). I could produce the French r just fine because my native dialect has that but I had to learn the rolled r at age 22 when I was studying Russian, and because it's also taught to Dutch children, here's what I did: I took the word "krentenbrood", and started pronouncing d's instead of r's. After careful practice I could transform my d's into r's and I was there. To trill, you don't tap once, but a lot of times in succession. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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