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| Slayertplsko Heptaglot Newbie Slovakia Joined 4629 days ago 24 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Czech, FrenchB2, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish | Message 1 of 7 02 November 2014 at 10:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Have you guys ever spent some time making subtitles or transcribing podcasts? If so, in
what way do you think has it helped your listening or other skills? In other words, what are the benefits of fansubbing or transcribing? Feel free to share your experience. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| chokofingrz Pentaglot Senior Member England Joined 4985 days ago 241 posts - 430 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Japanese, Catalan, Luxembourgish | Message 2 of 7 03 November 2014 at 2:50am | IP Logged | |||||
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Funny you should mention this tonight, as I am in the middle of creating subs for a Russian silent film. It's easy enough, as I can pause it and write down what each intertitle says. The next challenge is to try it on a Russian talkie - which will certainly take me a lot longer (assuming I don't give up).
However, I do have some prior experience in the task. I have previously subtitled 2 or 3 films in each of French, Spanish and Italian (purely as a hobby). They are all old, obscure feature films (1940s to 1970s) - nothing the average person would want to watch. I do find it an extremely useful experience in mastering aural comprehension skills. Sometimes I have to play back a line of dialogue 20 times or more before I can accurately transcribe it. This intensive repetition also improves your understanding of grammar if you are around A2-B1 level. It can take hours and hours to subtitle a feature film, especially if you are doing the timings manually. But I find it both relaxing and engrossing, and a helpful study method. Anybody else this geeky? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Slayertplsko Heptaglot Newbie Slovakia Joined 4629 days ago 24 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Czech, FrenchB2, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish | Message 3 of 7 03 November 2014 at 12:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks for your reply. I should have mentioned that I'm planning to do this with French,
where I'm around B2 (low C1 in reading comprehension). I was thinking I could make subtitles for a TV series I have watched and am watching again now as there are no subtitles for this series. I would say I should understand pretty much every word used there. However, I still have difficulties deciphering what they say sometimes, but this is caused by their pronunciation and fast speech, not really unknown words. I also plan to transcribe some France Culture podcasts and then shadow them. I think political debates and such will be most useful as it's exactly the kind of language which you'll need for speaking. We'll see. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| chokofingrz Pentaglot Senior Member England Joined 4985 days ago 241 posts - 430 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Japanese, Catalan, Luxembourgish | Message 4 of 7 03 November 2014 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Transcribing a podcast or radio download is possibly an even better idea than films, since, as you said, it will be everyday colloquial language.
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| Slayertplsko Heptaglot Newbie Slovakia Joined 4629 days ago 24 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Czech, FrenchB2, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish | Message 5 of 7 03 November 2014 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think both have their advantages. Films and series are harder to decipher for many
reasons, but I think it's universally agreed upon. So this trains maybe more your ''raw'' listening skills. Radio podcasts, on the other hand, are easier to understand - a handful of speakers at most, the same topic for an hour, slightly slower speech - and therefore don't train your ear as much as they provide you with lots of useful 'sentence/phrase structures', those tiny linking islands whose accumulation improves fluency (e.g. 'd'après ce que j'ai entendu dire,...'). This would then make them useful as shadowing material. Anyway, that's just an educated guess at the moment. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Dark_Sunshine Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5561 days ago 340 posts - 357 votes Speaks: English*, French | Message 6 of 7 06 November 2014 at 11:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I love this idea! It's excellent motivation for somebody who is passionate about the
cinema of their TL country (or even of their own country- has anyone thought of doing it the other way around?). I thought about doing this fairly recently, because I wanted to be able to share something I saw in a French film with some friends who only speak English. My problem is that I don't have much patience with computers and technology and I'd probably have to spend a lot of time learning how to do it first. I'm also unsure about the copyright issues around taking part of a film, or another person's you tube clip and re-posting it with subs. For anyone who's into TED talks, there is a facebook group of volunteer translators (I think it's called "I translate TED talks") who work to make the TED talks more accessible to the non-anglophone world. Could be good practice for someone. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Slayertplsko Heptaglot Newbie Slovakia Joined 4629 days ago 24 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Czech, FrenchB2, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish | Message 7 of 7 07 November 2014 at 10:30am | IP Logged | |||||
I haven't. An interesting idea.
From a purely legal point of view, fansubbing is a problem. You need to have a permission from the author. However, from a moral point of view, how can there be anything wrong with that? You're exposing people to the film who would have otherwise never been exposed to it and by doing this you're making it more likely that the film becomes popular in your country, which in turn means that it may at some time in the future be distributed on DVDs with subtitles. A win-win situation, I think. As far as doing it for your personal use goes, there should be no legal issue if you only do this to improve your language. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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