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Spørgsmål om Harry Potter

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AlOlaf
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04 November 2014 at 9:25pm | IP Logged 
Titlen af den danske oversættelse af "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" er "Harry Potter og de vises sten". Er "sten" i flertal? Hvilken slags bøjning er "vises"? Er det i passiv måske? Hvad betyder titlen præcist?
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05 November 2014 at 10:38am | IP Logged 
It means "The stone of the wise (men)". "De vises" is a genitive plural form. If the genitive stands before its antecedens, only the attribute can have the definite article.
I think because "sten" does not change in the plural, the phrase means also "The stones of the wise", but we know from the story, that there is only one stone in question and it is a fixed expression know from alchimistic history.

The forms of the genitive are:

dag: dags (spoken [daws]!)
dagen: dagens
dage: dages
dagene: dagenes

These constructions can sound solemn and are often resolved: husets tag - taget på huset, det gamle hus' tag - taget på det gamle hus

Free forms of the genitive are always old, fixed expressions (there you have sometimes e instead of s):
til fods, til lands, til skips, til gode, til stede, til syne, til veje, nutildags, til verks, til søs

Edited by Cabaire on 05 November 2014 at 10:39am

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05 November 2014 at 4:01pm | IP Logged 
Cabaire's forklaring er korrekt. Jeg vil blot tilføje at uforklarlige -e'er i faste udtryk efter andre præpositioner end "til" som regel er stivnede datíver (f.eks. "ad åre"). Men just "til" stod med genitiv i oldnordisk - og sådan er det stadig i nuislandsk.
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05 November 2014 at 6:30pm | IP Logged 
Tak, Cabaire og Iversen!


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