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| Monox D. I-Fly Senior Member Indonesia monoxdifly.iopc.us Joined 4922 days ago 762 posts - 664 votes  Speaks: Indonesian* | Message 1 of 8 26 December 2014 at 4:13am | IP Logged | ||
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Hey, everyone. I make this thread to ask about the origin of some words. Right now I want to know where the word 'diagram' and 'pictogram' were derived from. They sound like Greek, and I know that the words must be around gram, dia, and picto. However, I don't know their meaning. Can somebody help me?
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| Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4002 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish | Message 2 of 8 26 December 2014 at 4:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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Diagram
Pictogram Hope this helps. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5386 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 3 of 8 26 December 2014 at 10:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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I always feel a bit of uncleanliness when confronted with such hybridized classical compounds like pictogram, where a Latin and a Greek root are combined. I think it was used, because if it were called graphogram, people would think more about the meaning "to write" than "to paint" (γράφειν means both).
But on the other hand you should not learn English, if you are one of those narrow-minded purist. PS. In modern Greek it is called εἰκονόγραμμα (Eikonógramma). Eikonogram would also be a nice name (shortened to "icon"?) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 4917 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 4 of 8 26 December 2014 at 11:53pm | IP Logged | ||
Or a LOT of other modern languages, for that matter. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Monox D. I-Fly Senior Member Indonesia monoxdifly.iopc.us Joined 4922 days ago 762 posts - 664 votes Speaks: Indonesian* | Message 5 of 8 27 December 2014 at 12:01am | IP Logged | ||
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@Cabaire: But from the link Sarnek gave, it looks like the gram in pictogram was also derived from Latin, and it indicates a noun. Something like a gerrund, maybe?
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| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5386 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 6 of 8 27 December 2014 at 1:41am | IP Logged | ||
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The Latin word grāma means "eye boogers" or "sleepy dust", so a true Latin pictogram were something you painted in the corner of your eyes which looks like dried rheum ;-) Better to connect it with τὸ γράμμα...
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| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5107 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 7 of 8 27 December 2014 at 7:44am | IP Logged | ||
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@Monox D. I-Fly
Google has added an etymology search feature for English words. Just enter word origin before the word whose etymology you're interested in. For example: word origin diagram word origin pictogram 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Monox D. I-Fly Senior Member Indonesia monoxdifly.iopc.us Joined 4922 days ago 762 posts - 664 votes Speaks: Indonesian* | Message 8 of 8 27 December 2014 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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Wow. Never knew Google has that feature before. Thank you.
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