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Darklight1216
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 Message 1 of 6
28 December 2014 at 5:28am | IP Logged 
I'm trying to finalize my hit list of spoken languages. I'm trying to decide between
Chinese and Arabic. Since they are both generally considered to be extremely difficult
for native English speakers, I'll probably just learn one, but it's tough to choose.

I wonder if anyone can tell me if either of them tends to be significantly easier than
the other.

(Feel free to skip this part)
My personal list of pros and cons:
Both languages sound pretty cool to my ears now, but neither are beautiful to me.

I would love to visit China (sometime in the near future preferably).

I will actively avoid most Muslim countries.

My first love is reading so I'm a bit intimidated by the sheer number of Chinese
characters that have to be learned. The beautiful Arabic script might be a bit
challenging due it's lack of vowels, but at least it has an alphabet.

Unlike my current languages, there appear to be plenty of both Arabic and Chinese
speakers in my area so it shouldn't be nearly as hard to find people to practice with.
On that note there is at least one member of my church who speaks Arabic.

With Arabic I wouldn't have to worry about tones, but there is a confusing mess of
dialects and the whole issue of learning MsA in order to be literate. Or at least that
is what my limited google research told me.
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28 December 2014 at 7:52am | IP Logged 
Darklight1216 wrote:

I would love to visit China (sometime in the near future preferably).

I will actively avoid most Muslim countries.


I think you've already answered your own question.



(That said I would reconsider this view about "Muslim countries", they're not a monolith and
Turkey is very different from Comoros, Mauritania is very different from Malaysia, etc.)
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Darklight1216
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29 December 2014 at 4:52am | IP Logged 
Saim wrote:
Darklight1216 wrote:

I would love to visit China (sometime in the near future preferably).

I will actively avoid most Muslim countries.


I think you've already answered your own question.



(That said I would reconsider this view about "Muslim countries", they're not a
monolith and
Turkey is very different from Comoros, Mauritania is very different from Malaysia,
etc.)

Thanks for your feedback. Since you are studying Arabic, do you think there's anything
in particular that I should be aware of? And are the dialects really as big of a deal
as they seem?

I've never really let interest in visiting a country, or lack thereof be the
determining factor for my language choices, but there could be something to it.

(I know that not all Muslim/ Arabic speaking countries are the same, but none of the
ones that I have any passing knowledge about are at all enticing.)

Edited by Darklight1216 on 29 December 2014 at 4:54am

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29 December 2014 at 9:06am | IP Logged 
I was scared of the MSA/dialect split when I started. Turned out what I'm learning is MSA with dialectal pronunciation, and it allowed me to communicate with... let's see, Yemeni, Tunisian and some non-Arabic speaking folks who had Arabic as a foreign language (Iranian, Turkish).
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29 December 2014 at 10:36am | IP Logged 
Darklight1216 wrote:

Thanks for your feedback. Since you are studying Arabic, do you think there's anything
in particular that I should be aware of? And are the dialects really as big of a deal
as they seem?


Yes. It's best to treat them as a family of closely related languages than as a single
language, at least for the sake of a foreign learner. I'm actually learning Moroccan Arabic,
I've done some MSA but not much really.

Quote:
I've never really let interest in visiting a country, or lack thereof be the
determining factor for my language choices, but there could be something to it.

(I know that not all Muslim/ Arabic speaking countries are the same, but none of the
ones that I have any passing knowledge about are at all enticing.)


What is your motivation in learning then? What do you plan to do with these languages?
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Darklight1216
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29 December 2014 at 4:45pm | IP Logged 
Saim wrote:

Yes. It's best to treat them as a family of closely related languages than as a single
language, at least for the sake of a foreign learner. I'm actually learning Moroccan
Arabic,
I've done some MSA but not much really.

That's certainly a pro for Mandarin.

Quote:

What is your motivation in learning then? What do you plan to do with these languages?

I just like languages.

Of course, since I do want to travel to China, I'd use it there.


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