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| Sizen Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4141 days ago 165 posts - 347 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: Catalan, Spanish, Japanese, Ukrainian, German | Message 1 of 6 16 April 2015 at 3:56am | IP Logged | ||
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As the school year comes to an end, I think it's about time to get serious about
studying languages again. This spring and summer, my goals are nothing special. My main focus is to improve my French, as it always has been, but on the side, I'd like to learn more Catalan, a language that I've been looking at off and on for the past 2 years or so. Obviously, I won't limit myself to just these two languages (just look at my "studies" bar and you'll understand what I mean), but these are the languages I'll be spending the most time with (hopefully). In this log, my plan is to post about French in French and occasionally post in other languages as well. Without further ado, I will now discuss what I'm doing with each language in those languages. Français J'ai déjà un niveau en français où j'ai plus vraiment l'impression de devoir l'étudier à l'aide d'un manuel, alors mon plan d'attaque actuel consiste à regarder des films et lire des romans quand j'ai le temps. C'est un peu bateau comme idée et je sais qu'on dit qu'on peut pas apprendre une langue en faisant que ça, mais perso, je suis assez satisfait des progrès que j'ai faits avec cette méthode jusqu'à présent alors je vois pas d'inconvénients à continuer comme ça. Bref, je suis un peu faignant sur les bords, mais je pense que ça va aller. Català Hola a tothom! Fa molt de temps que vull estudiar aquesta llengua, però sempre he pensat que seria millor millorar el meu castellà primer. Malauradament, quan intento fer-ho, sempre perdo les ganes de continuar després d'algunes setmanes. Així que he decidit ignorar la meva ment i seguir el meu cor! No tinc cap ús per el català en la meva vida, però m'agrada molt la música catalana. En aquest moment, només uso el curs Assimil "Le Catalan" per estudiar (he llegit més de 30 lliçons). A part això, estic intentant aprendre les lletres d'algunes de les meves cançons catalanes preferides i llegint un manga japonès traduït al català que vaig trobar fa alguns mesos. Espero que us agradarà el meu "log". Edited by Sizen on 16 April 2015 at 5:09am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sizen Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4141 days ago 165 posts - 347 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Catalan, Spanish, Japanese, Ukrainian, German | Message 2 of 6 16 April 2015 at 5:04am | IP Logged | ||
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With the formalities out of the way, let's get to the juicy stuff.
I'm going to start with a quick comparison of French and Catalan (because I think it's interesting and it could also be useful). So far in my studies, I've discovered a few handy tricks to guess the meaning of a word in Catalan based on my knowledge of French. Lots of words look almost exactly the same, but sometimes the difference isn't as obvious. "Eu" in Catalan = "Oi" in French Veure-> voir Creure-> croire Veu-> voix Beure- boire "-iu/-iva" in Catalan = "-if/-ive" in French Effectiu-> effectif Actiu-> actif Nociu-> nocif "-au" in Catalan = "-ave" in French Esclau-> esclave Suau-> suave Eslau-> slave "-al-" in Catalan = "-au-" in French Saltar-> sauter Alt-> haut Falta-> faute "-ch-" in French = "-c-" in Catalan Chanter-> cantar Châtier-> castigar Champ-> camp "-ol-" in Catalan = "-ou-" Escoltar-> écouter Col-> chou Resoldre-> résoudre "-oc" in Catalan = "-eu" in French Poc-> peu Foc-> feu Joc-> jeu "Es" in Catalan-> "É/Ê/E" In French Estar-> être Estendre-> étendre Esforç-> effort "-os-" in Catalan = "-ô-" in French Hospital-> hôpital Hoste-> hôte Costat -> côté "-tat" in Catalan = "-té" in French Dignitat-> dignité Universitat-> université Comtat-> Comté "-â-" in French = "-as-" in Catalan Pâture-> pastura Âpre-> aspre Tâche-> tasca "-y/iser" in French -> "-itzar" in Catalan Rentabiliser-> rendibilitzar Analyser-> analitzar Comptabiliser-> comptabilitzar "-n" in French = "-" in Catalan Main-> mà Fin-> fi Plan-> pla "-age" in French = "-atge" in Catalan Paysage-> paisatge Langage-> llenguatge Courage-> coratge And if I forgot something, I'll have to add it later. Other fun things I learned while reading today: -"buscar les pessigolles a algú" This expressions means to look for trouble with someone, to provoke someone. The funny thing about it is that translated literally, it means, roughly, "to look for someone's tickles". "Tio!! Li estás buscant les pessigolles?!" Dude!! Are you trying to get on his nerves? Bonus: "fer pessigolles" = "to tickle" -"Tirar a terra" To knock down, to take down "-Com penses treure'm d'aquí? -Simple! Tirarem a terra aquesta paret!!" -How are you going to get me out of here? -Easy! We'll knock down this wall!! (Fun fact, the word "mur" exists in Catalan as well.) -"Passar pel cap" To come to mind "No m'havia passat ni pel cap!!" I hadn't even thought of that!! And to finish off, a nice song in Catalan: Bicicletes - Blaumut Edited by Sizen on 16 April 2015 at 5:06am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4441 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 3 of 6 16 April 2015 at 11:29am | IP Logged | ||
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Good to see another Catalan log. I will follow you with interest.
And a nice list you've got there. That's the kind of stuff I did back in university when I studied comparative Romance pholology. For fun I've added Spanish to it as well below, hope you don't mind. I think it shows how Catalan places itself nicely about halfway between French and Spanish when it comes to phonetical developments. Bicicletes is a nice song. What other Catalan groups/singers do you like? I don't know too much Catalan music, I was introduced to it many years ago through the cantautors Lluis Llach and Joan Manuel Serrat, but I haven't really spent much time familiarising myself with more modern groups. However, I recently bought an album by the group Els Amics de les Arts called "Només d'entrar hi ha sempre el dinosaure" which I can recommend if you don't already know them. Anyway, good luck with your Catalan studies, and here is your list with Spanish added:
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| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5667 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 4 of 6 16 April 2015 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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It is great to see another Catalan log :) A group i like is At Versaris. Here's a song on Youtube. You might also like the Polseres vermelles TV show, its soundtrack is also exclusively music in Catalan, so that might be worth checking out if you like that kind of music. The dialog in the show is pretty easy to follow, too. It used to be available at the tv3.cat site, a search just now puts it here, it appears to still be available for streaming online.
EDIT: I just listened to the Bicicletes song and that's actually part of the Polseres vermelles soundtrack :) Edited by Crush on 16 April 2015 at 6:35pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sizen Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4141 days ago 165 posts - 347 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Catalan, Spanish, Japanese, Ukrainian, German | Message 5 of 6 17 April 2015 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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@Ogrim Thanks for your additions to the list! While I do notice lots of
similarities with French, the more Catalan I learn, the more I feel just how separated from French it actually is. Or rather, how different French is from the rest of the Romance family. As for the music I listen to, I've mostly been listening to Blaumut, Els Catarres, Acció, Txarango, Obrint Pas and Falciots Ninja these days. I like how easy it is to find music I like in Catalan. It's a nice change from French, where I can spend multiple hours looking for music and not find much. I listened to the album you mentioned yesterday during my daily stretches and there are definitely some gems of songs in there. "A mercè d'un so" will be on repeat for the next while, I can tell. Some albums and stuff (warning: lots of ska): Falciots Ninja Els Catarres Txarango Acció Obrint Pas @Crush You have done me a great service today. I'd already watched seven or so episodes of Polseres vermelles, but I was watching with Spanish subs on YouTube. When the subs ran out, I had to stop. I've been looking for it since with subs in Catalan, but I gave up when I found the series on the TV3 YouTube channel without any subtitles. Now I'll be able to watch it without worrying about missing anything! Thank you! It's funny, when I checked that group of yours yesterday, I was a little turned off, but today I'm feeling it a lot more. I love it when a song grows on you. It's going to be hard to sing along with that song though, haha. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5667 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 6 of 6 18 April 2015 at 10:08am | IP Logged | ||
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Btw, i just saw that Catalan was added to Lyricstraining.
EDIT: I also added a song from that group (this time completely in Catalan) to the site, it's currently the only song under Rap/Hip-Hop ;) Edited by Crush on 21 April 2015 at 4:44pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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