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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5010 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 33 of 40 17 July 2015 at 5:30pm | IP Logged | ||
Degrees do matter to me, but since most people do not have a degree in a specific field (the number of people who have degrees in linguistics is very small compared to the number of people who exist), I assume, rightly it seems to me, that people are amateurs until I hear otherwise. Moreover, I would have expected you to mention a relevant degree earlier in the conversation if you had one, given the topic. Some people seem to think that I'm saying Conti's right in what he says. I'm not (how would I know?). Some of what he says gels with feelings I have, but he may be an outlier in his field for all I know. But none of that is to detract from the authority that a Ph.d. in a field should enjoy compared to those without one. The thin cook line is cute, but I've made it clear why it's only cute, not meaningful. Conti did reply to my notifying him about this thread, but he said he had trouble registering for the forum. I suppose I'll leave it at that, since nobody's going to sway the other side here. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6379 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 34 of 40 17 July 2015 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | ||
I'm only against the idea of calling it a language workout. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6379 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 35 of 40 17 July 2015 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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On HTLAL the percentage isn't as low as among the general population. I don't consider it as important as my experience as a learner, and I assumed you'd already seen my mentions of it during your 1800 days on this forum.
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| aokoye Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5323 days ago 235 posts - 453 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Dutch, Norwegian, Japanese | Message 36 of 40 17 July 2015 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | ||
In the field of second language acquisition I would consider someone an expert if they had actually done a lot of academic research on SLA (either inside or outside of the classroom). I don't think that "One who is expert or has gained skill from experience" is the best arbiter of "expert" for things like linguistics (overarching and general topics), philosophy, economics, etc. Also a major flaw in that definition is that they used "expert" in the definition for the word "expert". That definition would, however, work well for things like cooking, music, any sort of art/craft, gardening (to an extent), computer science and various other subjects. I would consider someone with substantial academic research (I would include the reading of texts) in SLA an "expert". Keep in mind that just because someone has a degree in linguistics does not mean that they have had much if any exposure to SLA. There are a number of linguistic topics that one can specialize in and SLA is just one of them. That said I don't particularly care about one's expertise until they start claiming that X method is by and large better than Y method and this is why without citing any sources. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6379 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 37 of 40 18 July 2015 at 6:23am | IP Logged | ||
Yeah, that's why I didn't bother to mention mine. I've learned much more about this on HTLAL and from the books of Gunnemark, Farber etc. And from giving advice and watching people succeed ;) Also, what's the difference between linguistics and computer science for you in this regard? In Europe many people actually do a linguistics degree for the purpose of learning a couple of languages, and based on the people I've studied with, I'd say someone like Chung or Volte who's studied/dabbled in a few languages outside of the Romance+German bubble AND reads about linguistics for fun is much more of an expert than many people with a degree who lack an actual passion for linguistics. IDK, to me this is starting to resemble a situation where you claim that a Westerner studying an indigenous culture knows it better than a member of said culture. SLA is focused on language teaching. HTLAL is focused on language learning and treats teachers as a tool. Conti is more of an expert in teaching than in learning, it seems. Edited by Serpent on 18 July 2015 at 6:37am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| aokoye Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5323 days ago 235 posts - 453 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Dutch, Norwegian, Japanese | Message 38 of 40 18 July 2015 at 7:54am | IP Logged | ||
Computer science is analogous to learning actual languages than it is to learning how they tick to a large extent. It's much more applied than the field of linguistics is generally speaking. Yes there is theory, but there are an extremely large amount of people in the field of computer science, world wide, who were entirely self taught (for what it's worth I used to be an intern at a somewhat major multinational tech company). There are definitely people who are very good programmers who have degrees in computer science, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was an equal number of very good programmers who don't. The other thing about computer science is that it is, by it is nature, very binary. Something either works or it doesn't. Yes there can be multiple ways of doing something (and there are concepts like refactoring code and keeping things DRY - don't repeat yourself), but again, it either works or it doesn't. In short, computer science involves a lot more experiential learning than linguistics does and you don't have to do anything involving academia or reading things like journal articles to do learn it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6987 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 39 of 40 18 July 2015 at 10:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach ESL.
Motivation is such an important part in language learning, the most important thng teachers need to do is not de-motivate learners. Edited by luke on 18 July 2015 at 11:01am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6379 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 40 of 40 18 July 2015 at 11:37am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm biased here because I actually did applied linguistics ;D Which was basically linguistics + computer science.
The question is whether academia and scientific articles actually produce effective teachers though. In any case they're not the only way. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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