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| ToxaMI Triglot Newbie France Joined 3211 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: Russian*, French, English | Message 1 of 11 22 July 2015 at 11:22am | IP Logged | ||
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Hello,
I would like to invite you to a simple game. Let's imagine the best program for learning languages you can ever think of. What would be the features in this program? How can you describe the learning process in such a program? P.S. I am a software developer, that can turn some dreams into reality :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| phonology Groupie Peru Joined 3506 days ago 40 posts - 48 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 2 of 11 22 July 2015 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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my dream is a 3D multiplayer game dedicated to language learning and exchange by voice.
source of my idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOxo3OTgaOw Edited by phonology on 22 July 2015 at 9:30pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tangleweeds Groupie United States Joined 3369 days ago 70 posts - 105 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Irish, French | Message 3 of 11 22 July 2015 at 10:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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What I want is something that will take my language course or other audio files, and allow
me to choose a segment of the file (sentence, phrase, word), repeat or loop it as necessary, and record myself trying to reproduce this phrase (or whatever), then play back the original recording and/or my latest attempt to reproduce it, so that I can compare the two to see how I'm doing. Anki has this feature, and it's implemented in a very easy to use way (though the UI is ugly and clunky), The problem with using Anki is that the audio file needs to be pre- segmented, individual cards made, etc. and this is a huge time sink. I'd like to just open any old audio file and do this kind of speaking practice imitation and comparison to the recorded example. I bet a lot of people would like to be able to do this with video files as well, to practice dialogue from TV shows or movies. Other features that would be nice would be the ability to slow down the native speaker audio to hear it better, Also a wave form graph of the audio that makes it easier to see where you are in your file (silence is visible), and the ability to label specific points in the file. The software I've used for musical transcription (which has these features) uses creates a parallel file for each audio/video file it is used with, which holds the labels, etc. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Gunjumero Newbie Canada Joined 3462 days ago 6 posts - 7 votes Speaks: French* | Message 4 of 11 23 July 2015 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | ||
You can slow down playback with VLC (videolan.org/) (-/+ keyboard) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4803 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 5 of 11 23 July 2015 at 7:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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I would be entirely happy if I had a multilingual netflix like service I wouldn't be forbidden to use only because I live in a second rate country. That would be enough. Even better if it included ebooks, audiobooks, music. That would solve majority of my most irritating learning challenges. I know, there are the pirate sources but I'd like having an alternative that would be both affordable and fair to the media creators.
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| robarb Nonaglot Senior Member United States languagenpluson Joined 4853 days ago 361 posts - 921 votes Speaks: Portuguese, English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, French Studies: Mandarin, Danish, Russian, Norwegian, Cantonese, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Greek, Latin, Nepali, Modern Hebrew | Message 6 of 11 24 July 2015 at 3:51am | IP Logged | ||
In the USA, we obviously have netflix itself but as for multilingual video from around the world, I don't think we have anything better than Youtube. What I would like is a library of texts + audio containing both written texts and conversations, organized by difficulty and topic so that you can get a massive amount of input at whatever level and topic you prefer. For written texts, you would be able to choose a male and female speaker from each of the major accent groups. There would be a pop-up dictionary that allows you to toggle between quick-translation, detailed-translation, easy-monolingual, and native-monolingual type definitions. The dictionary would also show you the conjugations/declensions of a word and its root form, where applicable. Each text would have a L1 translation available and, when appropriate, a video showing the context or hinting at the meaning (e.g. Ken Burns documentary-style photos). Words or phrases could be linked to other examples of the same word or phrase elsewhere in the library. Sentences would also be (automatically) tagged with grammar points that link to a grammar reference book, available at beginner level in L1, advanced-student level in L1, and advanced level in the target language. When the texts contain a point that is culturally specific to the culture of the target language, they are marked with a link to explanatory notes that you can follow, and you can set it to be either in the target language or L1. Known word and learning-word tracking as in Learning With Texts or Lingq would be available, but it would be improved in that it would automatically recognize different inflections of a word. It would have a special marking for a previously unseen inflection of word that you've already saved. You would be able to toggle between different orthographies, transliterations where appropriate, and both loose and detailed IPA transcriptions. At any time, a personal tutor is on-call through video chat, and you can send texts in for correction, specifying what kind of feedback you are interested in. Edited by robarb on 24 July 2015 at 3:53am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3701 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 7 of 11 25 July 2015 at 5:47am | IP Logged | ||
There was an interesting 3D sandbox style game on Kickstarter that would let you run around cities and talk to people (like Grand Theft Auto, but without the killing), for the purpose of language learning. Unfortunately, they couldn't get enough donations for it to take off. I'd like to see if they ever did anything with it, but I forget the name (I might have it in my browser favorites somewhere, I'll have to look around). I always thought a great idea would be a computer program that stores all of the vocabulary you know and generates natural sounding sentences and dialogues for you to practice your vocab in context. When you add more words, it builds more material for you to listen to (or read). To take it a step further, you could speak to it and it will talk back to you (kind of like those IM bots, but with speaking), almost like a conversation partner that knows exactly what words/phrases you know so you can practice what you know without straining to figure words you've never heard before, though there could be an option to trickle in unknown words to help you get used to figuring things out from context. However, I know that it is very difficult for a computer program to try to replicate language naturally (Google Translate, for example), but hopefully a day will come where something would be accurate enough to be trusted and useful. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3701 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 8 of 11 25 July 2015 at 5:51am | IP Logged | ||
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I found the game I was talking about, it's Reddo. Unfortunately, I can't find anything on any current developments so they may have scrapped the idea. Edited by soclydeza85 on 25 July 2015 at 5:51am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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