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ExRN
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 Message 1 of 49
2015 August 14 at 12:53am | IP Logged 
Obviously we are born with a blank sheet when it comes to language and the majority of us pick up our
tongue from associations and observations. I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't spend any of my
early years studying grammar books and doing anki flashcards......
My question is....... If I got a large collection of children's television programs from my target languages
and watched them whilst cutting English out of my life as much as possible, would this work?
After a year of watching children's television I would move on to watching teen level things and reading at
that level too. Would this be a more natural way to learn rather than memorising grammar and phrases
from tapes? If I learnt my language in this way, surely that means my brain has already got the skills it
needs to do another and another in the same way. Why change the method of something that has worked
previously? Isn't it like teaching someone how to drive in a certain way and then once they have passed
they decide to drive in the passenger seat instead?
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 Message 2 of 49
2015 August 14 at 2:24am | IP Logged 
No, first language acquisition is different than second (foreign) language acquisition and beyond that
children, neurologically, learn languages differently than adults do. Note that i am not saying that
adults can't learn foreign languages, I'm saying that there are neurological differences as well as
differences in how much of the target (or first) language one is actually steeped in.

There is a lot of information about this if you search for "first language acquisition", "second
language acquisition", or (and this one without the quotes), "first language vs second language
acquisition". You'll also probably get some interesting reading by searching "bilingualism". Oh and
here's this Ted talk http://www.ted.com/talks/patricia_kuhl_the_linguistic_genius _of_babies?
language=en

Edit: This is the Ted talk I was thinking of.
other note the
thousands upon thousands of hours of language this baby (whose brain is primed to learn new
languages) is hearing over the course of six months.

Edited by aokoye on 2015 August 14 at 2:33am

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ExRN
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2015 August 14 at 2:31am | IP Logged 
OK. I understand that adults can still learn a language, that's evident from multiple people achieving it. If
we removed an individual from the deep Amazon rainforest and they spoke only their native language that
no one elsewhere spoke, would that individual never learn the language spoken in their new surroundings?
There would be no lelearning materials produced in their native language and nobody to explain things in
their native either. I would edge my bets that even above, let's say 16 years old for argument sake, that
they would acquire the new language like a child does. Im no expert but surely the brain would adapt to
cope?
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2015 August 14 at 2:35am | IP Logged 
ExRN wrote:
OK. I understand that adults can still learn a language, that's evident from multiple
people achieving it. If
we removed an individual from the deep Amazon rainforest and they spoke only their native language
that
no one elsewhere spoke, would that individual never learn the language spoken in their new
surroundings?
There would be no lelearning materials produced in their native language and nobody to explain
things in
their native either. I would edge my bets that even above, let's say 16 years old for argument sake,
that
they would acquire the new language like a child does. Im no expert but surely the brain would adapt
to
cope?


People can learn languages with materials only in the target language, that, however, does not mean
that they are learning like children nor does it mean that the methods children learn languages would
work for the adult. There really is a lot of research on this.
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2015 August 14 at 2:39am | IP Logged 
I am really sorry that I offended you. I really didn't mean to. I was only being curious. Maybe I shouldn't be
on the forum if my questions are offensive.
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2015 August 14 at 2:55am | IP Logged 
Your questions aren't offensive, not in the least nor am I offended. That said I children learn
languages differently than adults do. Trying to say otherwise is going in the face of a lot of research
on just that topic.
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Often in this life I believe that research into subjects needs to be questioned. All that comes from research
tends to be theories, not facts. I've always questioned things. If nothing was ever questioned or disputed
we would still be living on a flat plate in the centre of the universe, scared of the sky falling down and them
bright things falling down on our heads.
I did read a new 'theory' that said brain plasticity is not something that does reduce with age as they
previously thought. They think that there is an ideal range for children to acquire a second native language,
but it doesn't make any sense why to me. I going to hazard a guess that no one has recently attempted to
learn a second tongue via the child method.

(prepares for hate)
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 Message 8 of 49
2015 August 14 at 3:20am | IP Logged 
ExRN wrote:
(prepares for hate)


There's no hate.

I'd be interested in seeing the study also i'm curious as to what "the child method" actually is. I agree
that studies aren't always what they're chalked up to be, but given the applied nature of a lot of
studies on language acquisition as well as neuroplasticity I'm not willing to say that everything is
based off of theory. There is practice in there as well. Do you know if Oliver Sacks has written
anything on this?

Also i'm going off to dinner soon so if I don't reply quickly that's why.



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