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Native fluency possible for asian langs

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cathrynm
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Studies: Japanese, Finnish

 
 Message 9 of 17
22 February 2016 at 3:30am | IP Logged 
Ooh yeah, that is interesting. I confess, years ago, I watched a ton of Japanese TV for quite a while. I thought, well, I have relatives that speak Japanese, I'm half-Japanese myself, maybe I can just pick this up, but no, no, I didn't get fluent, and I did go crazy and actually did get committed and drugged up for 72 hours, and blew a job I really wanted, it was not good. I think it was just that I didn't have enough context, and my brain just confabulated meaning from nothing. It was a pretty strange experience.

These days, I just plot along. Too busy with work to do stuff like this these days.
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catullus_roar
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Speaks: Malay, Hokkien*, English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese*, French, German, Spanish
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 Message 10 of 17
22 February 2016 at 12:15pm | IP Logged 
Asian here.

The biggest obstacle for anglophones is not vocabulary or grammar, but pronunciation. It is far rarer to find an
American who can master the tones of Chinese (Daniel on CCTV is one such outlier) than to find one who has mastered
the grammar and vocabulary. Some Westerners can write better Chinese than we can, but once they begin to speak,
their foreign-ness becomes evident. Japanese is less tonal and easier to pronounce, but Korean is also a tonal
language - its double vowels seem to rely on pitch for differentiation.

This should not discourage you from pursuing Asian languages to the highest possible level; perhaps you should
simply devote double the amount of expected time to pronunciation, and keep in mind that you may never attain native
pronunciation.
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Snowflake
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 Message 11 of 17
23 February 2016 at 11:00pm | IP Logged 
daristani wrote:
Here's an inspiring (or cautionary, depending on your point of view) account
of someone who "forced" his way to fluency (not merely linguistic but cultural as well) in
Japanese:

friend-danchanman/"> http://thelanguagedojo.com/2016/01/guest-post-from-our-hands ome-rich-
totally-ripped-friend-danchanman/


He went into culture shock. And it sounds like he did not attempt to buffer that by having L1
friends while in Japan. Culture shock can happen whether you know the language or not.

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andee
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 Message 12 of 17
14 January 2017 at 2:38am | IP Logged 
I can only speak of Korean. But yes, near native
command is possible. There are quite a few people
who have regular TV slots which a great command of
the language. Many of whom have learnt within a few
years.
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Rhian
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 Message 13 of 17
14 January 2017 at 9:28am | IP Logged 
A reminder that people have moved to
www.forum.language-learners.org

You'll need to create a new account as HTLAL logins
won't work there.
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Wentworth
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 Message 14 of 17
14 January 2017 at 1:29pm | IP Logged 
My apologies, Rhian. I've recently returned to this site after quite some time and I think
I've missed something. When you mention that people have moved; does this mean that this site
has been superseded? Many thanks
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Rhian
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 Message 15 of 17
14 January 2017 at 10:12pm | IP Logged 
No, not suspended. It's just not really used. This
might explain better http://how-to-learn-any-
language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40787&PN=1
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Wentworth
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 Message 16 of 17
15 January 2017 at 1:14am | IP Logged 
Thanks Rhian, I've read the posts in the link and I'll go over and register for the alternate
site :)


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