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| Nnavi Triglot Newbie Bulgaria Joined 1868 days ago 9 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, SpanishA2 Studies: Portuguese, Italian | Message 1 of 8 06 August 2019 at 10:22am | IP Logged |
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This is my first log. I start learning Portuguese my way by comparing it to Spanish and
Italian. I don't know how to make a log. I'm not very good with forums and I apologize if I make mistakes in posting. | |
| Nnavi Triglot Newbie Bulgaria Joined 1868 days ago 9 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, SpanishA2 Studies: Portuguese, Italian | Message 2 of 8 06 August 2019 at 11:21am | IP Logged |
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About 10 years ago I thought it could be very good to try to learn some languages
that were close to Spanish i.e. Italian and Portuguese. Some friends told me that this would be very difficult because of interference between studied languages. But I wanted to try at least and started with Italian. I had a personal teacher and took clases 1 hour per week. I realized that traditional learning with lessons starting from alphabet was very boring. And I realized that I knew many grammar things and some words. When I passed a few lessons I asked my teacher to try a different approach - I said how something from the grammar is in Spanish and then she told me how was in Italian. I very like this approach, it is difficult for me and maybe for the teacher. I spent half an year with lessons and then made a break for a few months. After that I tried to test myself for interference. I had some interference but only in some places. Now I want to try this approach with Portuguese. Many years I collect books, grammars, files, textbooks, dictionaries and other stuff about Portugues and of course about Spanish, Italian and English. I read a lot forum topids about Portuguese here and in other sites - try to choose a suitable materials. Finally I'll try to summarize my preparations. 1. I made a list of all my books for learning Portugues and add this list to the list of all my books for learning English,Spanish,Italian and etc. 2. I made a column "Portuguese" in my table for learning time in Google Spreadsheets. I see something similar in a forum thread here some years ago. Maybe this? sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwja8p_T8u3jAhVQ46QKHRUpCwQ4ChAWMAN6BAgPEAI&us g=AOvVaw3nxryroT7NnOXiTdGqaGHm" >link 3. I installed Portuguese keyboard and start to try it. 4. Changed the language of Edge browser to read news in Portuguese. 5. I read two grammar book 6. Read twice FSI: From Spanish to Portuguese - I think this will be my learning book. 7. I watched lessons of Professor Pasquale Explica 8. I search for words lists, sites, videos and etc but with comparison between Spanish, Italian and Portuguese. And this is for now. Continue searching an information about old grammar books and good additional stuff. Edited by Nnavi on 06 August 2019 at 11:54am | |
| Nnavi Triglot Newbie Bulgaria Joined 1868 days ago 9 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, SpanishA2 Studies: Portuguese, Italian | Message 3 of 8 07 August 2019 at 11:19am | IP Logged |
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I reviewed some of my bookmarks in my browser. I'll try to post them sorted by
learning languages. Hope I cope with formatting. Decided to add some additional stuff and sites about English because it is not my native language and I struggle with it about 30 years. I don't know whether these sites are usefull for someone because many of them are in a beginner level. But I want to contribute a little to this wonderful forum. Portuguese
Spanish
Italiano
Gallego
Latin Romance Languages
English
Useful Sites
Public Domain Courses and Other Resources Edited by Nnavi on 12 September 2019 at 8:24am | |
| Nnavi Triglot Newbie Bulgaria Joined 1868 days ago 9 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, SpanishA2 Studies: Portuguese, Italian | Message 4 of 8 10 August 2019 at 3:43pm | IP Logged |
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Day 1 - end of preparations. I decided to start learning Portuguese with 2 text books -
40 leçons pour parler portugais (in Bulgarian with 2 cds) and Teach yourself portuguese (in Bulgarian, 2003 edition without cassettes). I like them very much, tried them two years ago but I couldn't find enough free time to start seriously. From time to time I tried some sites and books in Portuguese, tried to listen TV, some podcasts, and I understood almost nothing from the European variant and much more from the Brazilian one. I very like grammar lessons of professor Pasquale - he has a very clear pronunciation and I listen lessons two times. But when someone speaks fast or not clear I lost the context. Edited by Nnavi on 10 August 2019 at 3:44pm | |
| Nnavi Triglot Newbie Bulgaria Joined 1868 days ago 9 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, SpanishA2 Studies: Portuguese, Italian | Message 5 of 8 02 September 2019 at 5:09pm | IP Logged |
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Almost month passed. A brief revision of my studies:
- Teach yourself Portuguese - I learnt first 5 lessons - 40 leçons pour parler portugais - I learnt first 16 lessons(lessons are small) - added all new words in Anki with Brazilian pronunciation (I couldn't find an European pronounciation) - started to learn them - made a phonetic drills with european-portuguese.info - I want to teach myself correctly to pronounce both European and Brazilian variants. My goal is to become understanding speech especially from Europe. - try to listen TV from Angola - News I made a revision of my previous atempts to learn Portuguese. On Transparent Proficiency Test - Brazilian Portuguese I had a 69% total - 80% and 93% Grammar, 70% Vocabulary and 13% Reading comprehension. This was 2-3 years ago. Spanish results are similar - 71% total but 80% and 84% Grammar, 57% Vocabulary and 53% Reading comprehension. Now I make an Italian test (I was learning Italian 5 year ago, I have to refresh it) and i got 63% total (very low - shame on me) - Grammar 64% and 40% , Vocabulary -87% and Reading comprehension - 70%. I have these difficulties - it is strange to me to use "lh" and "nh" - I don't know why. Some sounds are difficult for me - "ou", ã, em , õ. I will practise them a lot. Brazilian pronounciation is very easy for me, but European is more difficult, the "e" and "i" mutations in the beginning and in the middle of the word are too much for me. I try to read and listen words but can't find enough words with European pronunciation. Lessons are a little bit boring for me but I try to focus on new words and phonetic drills. As usually I summarize my grammar and vocabulary explanations in a Word file. I started before a presentation on PowerPoint about irregular verbs in Portuguese. I start modifying it with the intention to classify verbs by groups of irregularities. I made similar presentations for Italian and Spanish and I find them very useful for memorizing conjugations of irregular verbs. Edited by Nnavi on 02 September 2019 at 5:48pm | |
| Nnavi Triglot Newbie Bulgaria Joined 1868 days ago 9 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, SpanishA2 Studies: Portuguese, Italian | Message 6 of 8 27 January 2020 at 8:02pm | IP Logged |
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2019 is gone. So I have to make a review of my studies.
Portuguese I started to make phonetic drills and excercises in my study book. It was boring but I think phonetic repetition was good for me. I struggled most with word memorizing and in reading. So I started Anki deck. It is difficult to find pronunciation of European Portuguese - like mp3s or wavs to put it into Anki. I found only a dictionary with IPA transcription - www.dict.com. I made some phonetic exercises in my favourite podcasts and found podcasts only for European Portuguese. So I read the articles and started to listen the podcasts and some shorted videos. I had 3.6h listening and about 2h reading in 2019. This is not enough but I have 18.1h listening in 2020 and this is a good start. I still do not make effort to speak and write. I think I have to read more and learn new words and continue with my vocal drills. I want to try FSI course "From Spanish to Portuguese". I made the vocal drills but was not focused on the book itself. I have some readind and writing problems especially with verb conjugations. I tried to learn the correct pronunciation and to learn myself to "hear" it and spelled it. So I read in Portuguese some articles about but in vain. I cannot predict how to pronounce a word without accent mark. So I continue my grammar notes and add some useful information from sites and grammar books. Also I am making PowerPoint presentations with some irregular verbs - I found this useful for me to understand the groups of irregularities (in Spanish and Italian ). I struggled with rules of Acordo ortografico and Sistema de acentuação gráfica some years before. I cannot predict exact where is the accent it it is not explicitly pointed. Edited by Nnavi on 28 January 2020 at 11:38am | |
| Nnavi Triglot Newbie Bulgaria Joined 1868 days ago 9 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, SpanishA2 Studies: Portuguese, Italian | Message 7 of 8 27 January 2020 at 8:57pm | IP Logged |
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Now about Italian. I found some podcasts and video channels in YouTube and started
to followed them and listen them. Also I watched 2 seasons of Commissar Rex Special Unit with subtitles in Bulgarian. I made 25.5h listening for 2019 and 19.5h for 2020. This helps me a lot - not only improve my speaking but improve my comprehension especially when I try to understand fast speaking. Also I listen many tips and tricks videos in English and Italian about learning Italian and languages at all. I try to make notes in Italian - it is hard to me to write fast and make mistakes but I try it. It is very fun and pleasant for me. Additionally I read 1/2 of Zanichelli grammar in Bulgarian trying to fill my gaps. I am very happy that startedd to search in Italian, to read articles about words meanings in Italian from Treccani. Also started to write in Italian - to write a diary about my progress in learning. I started to write in Word with Italian keyboard and spell checker installed to catch most of my errors and to fight with them. I found that I have some difficulties with doubled consonants and with preposizioni articolati. I made an Anki deck with pronunciation and started to exercise. I think I have to continue reading articles from internet but not only. I have to read some type of texts - news, books, comics etc. because my vocabulary is poor and I produce boring texts. Edited by Nnavi on 28 January 2020 at 11:39am | |
| Nnavi Triglot Newbie Bulgaria Joined 1868 days ago 9 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, SpanishA2 Studies: Portuguese, Italian | Message 8 of 8 27 January 2020 at 9:24pm | IP Logged |
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And my beloved Spanish language. I started massively to listen video and audio
podcasts and some cortometrajes and follow some YouTube channels. So I made 9.3h listening in 2019 and 13.9h in 2020 but I think it is not sufficient. I understand a lot but I have difficulties with high-speed speaking and accents from all over the world. So I focused on understanding some major accents or dialects - from Argentina, Chile, Andalucia, Mexico. I listen VIII Congress of Instituto Cervantes - so many accents but slowly to moderate speaking. Additionally I started to listen some documentaries on DW Español and understand almost everything. Also read a book about history of the Spanish language. I decide to start a diary in Spanish for my progress with the language like in Italian and Portuguese. My only problem is that I am not persistent. Edited by Nnavi on 28 January 2020 at 11:41am |
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