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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5643 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes  1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 9 of 12 09 November 2010 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | ||
L3 via L2 language learning is very uncommon in Germany, which has a huge bookmarket with all kinds of publications in German. People here in Germany find it very strange when I use my French - Dutch and my Turkish - English dictionary for my language studies, because they assume that I should better use a French - German and a Turkish - German dictionary - which I can buy everywhere. The bookmarket is different in smaller countries like Denmark or The Netherlands. I am always happy to read about other polyglots or language learners who use the L3 via L2 method which I prefer for myself. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 09 November 2010 at 1:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5116 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 10 of 12 23 November 2010 at 11:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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I found another very detailed German article about Emil Krebs, a 20 page PDF file with additional background information about his life. The article also dispels some myths about his life.
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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6499 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 12 24 November 2010 at 2:08am | IP Logged | ||
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Excellent source! (even though Fasulye found it first)
In 1914 Krebs jotted down this list over languages from which he could translate into German: I. Europäische Armenisch (östl.u.westl.) Litauisch Böhmisch Polnisch Bulgarisch Portugiesisch Dänisch-Norwegisch Rumänisch Englisch Russisch Finnisch Schwedisch Französisch Serbisch Georgisch Spanisch Griechisch Türkisch Holländisch Ungarisch Italienisch II. Asiatische Arabisch Chinesisch Hindi Hindustani (Urdu) Japanisch Javanisch Malaiisch Mandschurisch Mongolisch Persisch Siamesisch He added: Englisch, Französisch, Italienisch, Spanisch, Russisch, Ungarisch, Chinesisch beherrsche ich außerdem derartig, daß ich aus dem Deutschen in diese Sprachen korrekt Übersetzungen anzufertigen im Stande bin. Auch im Finnischen habe ich soviel Übung, daß ich mir zutrauen kann, aus dem Deutschen ins Finnische Übersetzungen anzufertigen, die den Sinn des Deutschen verständlich wiedergeben. (Die klassischen Sprachen Lateinisch, Griechisch, sowie das Bibelhebräisch, habe ich im Vorstehenden, als kaum in Frage kommend, unerwähnt gelassen.) Actually I would have expected a longer list in both directions, but especially in the direction from foreign languages to his native German, - after all it isn't too difficult to translate something into your own language (that's why international organizations only expect this direction of their translators). The list over the languages in which he could translate in the other direction reminds me of the passage by Kati Lomb where she mentions the languages which she always 'carried around with her' - i.e. it is a relatively narrow list consisting of just 7 (or 7½) language plus German. Even though the last remarks suggests that this list isn't complete we aren't even close to the hundred spoken languages that some have ascribed to Krebs. I must say I feel somewhat relieved by this. Even the magnificent Krebs couldn't speak 100 languages, nor could Mezzofanti. And then it isn't as embarassing that the rest of us can't either. Edited by Iversen on 24 November 2010 at 2:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5177 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 12 of 12 24 November 2010 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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I can't help think that translating the German message into another language just so as to make the meaning comprehensible is potentially very far from speaking the language fluently.
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