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| iieee Groupie United States dreaminginturkish.bl Joined 6367 days ago 78 posts - 80 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Turkish, German | Message 89 of 195 10 April 2007 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Unfortunately I won't be participating with Persian, but I'll be rooting on the sidelines.
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| dreaminjosh Diglot Newbie United States Joined 6307 days ago 32 posts - 32 votes Speaks: French, English* | Message 90 of 195 10 April 2007 at 1:06pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'll take a stab at as much hindi as I can learn in 6 weeks. Put me down for that.
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| Declan1991 Tetraglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6219 days ago 233 posts - 359 votes Speaks: English*, German, Irish, French | Message 91 of 195 10 April 2007 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Sprachprofi means "Language Professional", or something like that anyway. Maybe "talking" instead of "Language".
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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6219 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 92 of 195 10 April 2007 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'd be happy to consider languages other than Persian, but, unlike you, I'm a language dabbler, so I have a basic familiarity with all of the languages (Esperanto, Japanese, and Swedish) that you've mentioned, excepting Mandarin, of which I have the merest of theoretical knowledges and a few skype partners who are beginning to despair of my learning basic greetings. I've watched a movie in Persian, and know some cool Iranians, but I haven't really learned any of the language yet; I think I can safely call that 'zero' knowledge.
For learning lots of vocabulary, one thing to bear in mind is that Esperanto uses affixes and suffixes heavily, to greatly reduce the number of words you need to learn. For grammar, lernu.net could be helpful, or the list of all (!) 16 official rules of Esperanto grammar, found at http://donh.best.vwh.net/Esperanto/rules.html - there's also a grammar/graded reader (somewhat dated) at http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~harald2/grammars/esperanto.pdf For listening comprehension, there are free, legal mp3s at http://www.musicexpress.com.br/stilo.asp?stilo=36 as well as quite a few online radio stations - http://www.radioarkivo.org/ and http://www.radio-esperanto.com/ may be good places to start. http://www.esperanto.org/literaturo/RealAudio/ has literature with transcriptions, but I haven't tried it out. http://farbskatol.net/ has videos, of quite variable quality; some are in quite easy Esperanto. Hopefully some of the above should be useful for chorusing/shadowing. One thing I'd recommend avoiding is Assimil's Esperanto course - I love Assimil courses greatly, but the Esperanto course has fairly hokey content, and is frequently annoyingly sing-song. One of my skype friends who speaks Esperanto expressed rather negative surprise at how accurately I could imitate the 'stereotypical' Esperanto-course speaking style after listening to it for a few hours.
I'm not aware of a free frequency dictionary; the closest things that a quick google search turns up are the following: A list of the 552 most common words and morphemes - http://esperanto-panorama.net/angla/vortaro.htm There are also a number of dictionaries. http://www.xs4all.nl/~pilger/ber/ has Wouter F. Pilger's Esperanto/Esperanto dictionary for beginners, which he kindly allowed to be placed online (he gave me the url back when he was alive; he was a great guy). http://wwwtios.cs.utwente.nl/traduk/EN-EO/Traduku/ is what I generally use for one-word translations. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 6795 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 93 of 195 10 April 2007 at 4:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I've decided on Swahili. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| MissMyChris Newbie United States Joined 6218 days ago 17 posts - 17 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 94 of 195 10 April 2007 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I like this idea. I might consider Swahili or one of the Germanic languages (German, Swedish, Danish, Dutch or Icelandic). I have to look at what's available from the library and online before I chose. Anyone know of any good Dutch or Danish sources online?
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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6250 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 95 of 195 10 April 2007 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Sprachprofi: Swahili
Patuco: Swahili Julie: Swedish, Portuguese, Dutch, other Frisco: Turkish, Romanian, German Jeff_lindqvist: Esperanto Raincrowlee: Esperanto Talairan: Swahili, Portuguese leosmith: Esperanto, French, Russian Farley: Turkish lady_skywalker: Persian Journeyer? (might participate) reineke: Japanese + Spanish Malcolm? luke: German, Esperanto, French? Lastminute: Haitian Creole burntgorilla: Swedish Andy Liu: Esperanto aru-aru: Swedish, Dutch Serpent: Yiddish, Esperanto, Icelandic, Greek, Indonesian, Turkish, Old Church Slavonic, Lithuanian, Welsh MeshGearFox: Icelandic, Welsh Asiafever: Japanese Evanstar: Latin Ari: Esperanto, Portuguese, ANYTHING Clintaroo: Indonesian, Korean Pintbomb: Esperanto Knarvil: Celtic language, other sergiu: Turkish shyopstv: Swedish Declan1991: Icelandic LorenzoGuapo: Dutch? Vargas: Dutch, German Volte: Persian, Mandarin? dreaminjosh: Hindi MissMyChris: Swahili, German, Swedish, Danish, Dutch, Icelandic Sorted by language: Esperanto: Reincrowlee, Andy Liu, Pintbomb, Jeff_lindqvist, Ari Haitian Creole: Lastminute Hindi: dreaminjosh Icelandic: Declan1991 Japanese: Asiafever, reineke Latin: Evanstar Persian: lady_skywalker, Volte Spanish: reineke (not documenting) Swahili: Sprachprofi, patuco Swedish: Burntgorilla, shyopstv Turkish: Farley, sergiu Undecided as to the language: Julie: Swedish, Portuguese, Dutch, other Frisco: Turkish, Romanian, German Talairan: Swahili, Portuguese leosmith: Esperanto, French, Russian luke: German, Esperanto, French? aru-aru: Swedish, Dutch Serpent: Yiddish, Esperanto, Icelandic, Greek, Indonesian, Turkish, Old Church Slavonic, Lithuanian, Welsh MeshGearFox: Icelandic, Welsh Clintaroo: Indonesian, Korean Knarvil: Celtic language, other LorenzoGuapo: Dutch? Vargas: Dutch, German MissMyChris: Swahili, German, Swedish, Danish, Dutch, Icelandic Haven't confirmed they are in or with what language: Journeyer Malcolm Okay, to answer questions one after the other... I don't know of any frequency list, but Kontakto (an interesting Esperanto magazine) regularly releases lists of word roots that article writers are asked to refer to when trying to write in "easy Esperanto". The current list can be found at http://www.lujz.org/komencanto/listo.k.php. Words in bold are "very easy Esperanto" and the others are "easy Esperanto". Note that these are just the roots, without even noun / adjective / verb marking, let alone any of Esperanto's widely-used affixes. Most Esperantists agree that using affixes is preferable to creating a new word stem that would have to be learned by heart, so e. g. "malliberejo"(mal-liber-ej-o, opposite of - free - place) is given preference over "prizono" as translation of "prison". This means that compared to other languages you should probably spend more time practising affixes rather than learning more and more word roots. I reviewed free online Esperanto courses at http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=5543&PN=1. Ari, I have put you down for Esperanto for now, because I like having a large group that can be used for easily comparing the efficiency of different vocabulary-learning techniques etc. . If you find that one of the other groups that are shaping up attract you more, e. g. Persian, Swahili or Turkish, just let me know. As for testing, I can't provide native speakers to assess everybody's pronunciation or ability to have a conversation. I can offer to test people's Esperanto, German or French over Skype, maybe also Italian or Chinese, but you'd have to find others for the rest. However, for a test at the end I can provide lists of basic vocabulary that you can compare your knowledge to, a list of grammar items needed for basic tasks and a sample text / sample sentences (maybe even in transliteration) for comprehension testing. Online Dutch courses: http://www.taalthuis.com/course/index.htm - beginners and intermediates, English http://mediatheek.thinkquest.nl/~kl044/ - for beginners, in Dutch only http://proto2.thinkquest.nl/~klc043 - for intermediates, in Dutch only http://www.ned.univie.ac.at/non/welkom/welkomtext.htm - great course with fun exercises and audio, in German only http://www.geocities.com/athens/2282/holl.html - course in Russian http://www.ielanguages.com/dutch.html - Living Language type 'course', more like a summary of grammar and vocabulary For Danish I don't know any online courses. There used to be a nice one at http://www.speakdanish.dk/index.html, but now all but the first lesson is paid-only. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| karinatereza Diglot Newbie New Zealand karinabohle.blogspot Joined 6219 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC1 Studies: Mandarin | Message 96 of 195 10 April 2007 at 7:43pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I glad I found this forum, it is just fascinating!
Ok, I have decided I will give Swedish a go. I am still sorting the material that I will use during these 6 weeks; I will read more carefully later if any body has posted anything! I am at work right now and it is so much that I can do about learning Swedish right now! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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