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| zhiguli Senior Member Canada Joined 6228 days ago 176 posts - 221 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Mandarin | Message 1 of 20 15 April 2007 at 8:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I was originally going to do Icelandic, but since I already have some experience with this language (that would unfairly skew the results...), I've chosen a language I know next to nothing about - Abkhazian.
I'm spending my first 30 minutes gathering my resources: http://apsni.com/ http://www.abyzshwa.narod.ru/ http://www.acnet.ge/ike.htm http://www.apsny.net/ http://www.kapba.de/Apsny.html and formulating a good attack plan. Wish me luck. Абзиараз! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zhiguli Senior Member Canada Joined 6228 days ago 176 posts - 221 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Mandarin | Message 2 of 20 16 April 2007 at 11:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Day 2
Finished reviewing the alphabet at http://apsni.com/alphabet.htm , paying special attention to the sounds that don't exist in or are different from Russian: ь marks palatalization гь, хь, кь etc ә marks labialization гә, дә, жә, кә etc ҕ arabic غ ҟ arabic ع ҟь arabic ق ҳ arabic ح ҩ front w sound ӡ dz џ j ж ш ҽ ҿ retroflex жь шь ч ҷ alveolar/palatalized қ, ҭ, ҧ, ц, ч, ҽ aspirated к, т, п, ҵ, ҷ, ҿ glottalized Started Lesson 1 at http://learn.apsni.com/ . Also found another page http://www.fuadiye.com/Abazapsua.html , which contains a short dictionary. Will be using it and the old apsny.net for important vocabulary items. Spent a few minutes looking in the Georgian-Abkhaz grammar and took note of important words/grammar constructions: аҩны house ашәҟәш book қарҭ tbilisi аҩы horse аҧсуа бызшәа/аҧсшәа the Abkhaz language иацы yesterday дцаит he went away а- is the definite article (which is why most of the words begin with а...) -да indicates "lack of" ахы head хы-да headless аҩы horse ҩы-да horseless -ҩы suffix indicating profession анха-ҩы farmer арҵа-ҩы teacher аҵа-ҩы student -тә makes nouns out of verbs (?) аусу-тә work афа-тә food adjectives come after the noun ашәҟәы бзиа good book (lit. "book good") ашьха ҳарак tall mountain аҭыҧҳа ҧшӡа beautiful girl Амшын Еиқәа the Black Sea 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zhiguli Senior Member Canada Joined 6228 days ago 176 posts - 221 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Mandarin | Message 3 of 20 18 April 2007 at 4:25am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Didn't do much today. Reviewed the first lesson and important vocabulary:
мшыбзиа hello бзиа(ра) убааит/ббааит (response) уара иухьӡуеи? бара ибыхьӡуеи? what's your name сара исыхьӡуп ахра my name is... абзИа good агЫлара stand up ацарА go/leave абарА see сара i бзиа абара love ачА bread аб father ан mother Амра sun аАхәара buy амш day/weather амшЫн sea ашкОл school сара сцОит/сгЫлоуп/избОит сара биза избоит сани саби сара иаАсхәоит ача Анкьа before (a long time ago) макьАна still (for the time being) акәАц meat Акәашара to dance агарА to take (away) агьАма taste агәЫ heart ахЫ head иахьА today ахь to (postpostition) ахә price ашкол ахь/аусурахь (to school/to work) and learned the pronouns and the pronominal affixes for the verb "to go: сара сцоит i go уара уцоит you (m) go бара бцоит you (f) go иара дцоит he goes лара дцоит she goes иара ицоит it goes ҳара ҳцоит we go шәара шәцоит you (pl) go дара ицоит they go Edited by zhiguli on 18 April 2007 at 4:29am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jerrod Senior Member United States Joined 6290 days ago 168 posts - 176 votes Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 4 of 20 20 April 2007 at 12:12am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hi. Good luck!
Is this language like Georgian? I see the alphabets are different, but do they have similiar roots? You mention a Georgian dictionary, do you know Georgian? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Zorndyke Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6745 days ago 374 posts - 382 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Czech | Message 5 of 20 20 April 2007 at 3:46am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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No, Abkhaz is not related to Georgian at all. They might have influenced each other due to geographical and political reasons which would become especially evident through loanwords, but they still belong to different language families and therefore are not genetically related in any way.
Abkhaz belongs to the Northwest Caucasian family and Georgian to the Kartvelian family. btw, cool choice that you made zhiguli, once I also wanted to learn Abkhaz but there aren't enough materials to actually learn the language... Edited by Zorndyke on 20 April 2007 at 3:48am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zhiguli Senior Member Canada Joined 6228 days ago 176 posts - 221 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Mandarin | Message 6 of 20 20 April 2007 at 4:06am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Иҭабуп! (thanks) As Zorndyke said, they are not genetically related. While I have heard that there are quite a few common roots between Abkhaz and Georgian I'm not in any position to judge. All I can say is that, thus far, I haven't noticed many (or any), and the grammar also differs in some important ways: Abkhaz has a definite article while Georgian has none. Georgian has noun cases, Abkhaz all but lacks case marking. Right now I'm looking at some verb tables, and while Abkhaz does share pluripersonality with Georgian even here there are differences. The sound systems of both languages are rather different as well. While there are superficial resemblances Abkhaz has a *lot* more consonants and only 2 (or 3) phonemic vowels. They certainly sound different. By the way, since you know Russian you might want to look at the Abkhazian thread at lingvoforum.
No, but I have studied it and can (barely) read with a dictionary.
It is very frustrating and even worse when there are almost no webpages in the language. There is one book that I know of, in English: Hewitt, George, and Khiba, Zaira. (1997). An Abkhaz Newspaper Reader. but it is expensive and hard to find. There is also this: http://www.apsny.ru/shop/shop.php#8 But it seems they do not ship outside Russia. Day 5: did some review of the first two lessons, and some more reading in the Abkhaz-Georgian grammar. Found an Abkhazian film Ҳаџьараҭ Кьахьба on youtube and will be using it for listening practice. а-ца-ра а- dictionary (general) form, ца root ра suffix. абара to see сара избоит бара иббоит уара иубоит иара (и)ибоит лара илбоит агара to take сара изгоит бара ибгоит уара иугоит иара (и)игоит лара илгоит аарА to come бара баауЕит саауеит уаауеит даауеит арА (абрА) here анА there анхарА to live лара ара дынхОит иара ана дынхоит унхоит Ааи (аиЕи) - yes. мап (мамОу) no. ауаҩы man human ахаҵа man male husband аҧҳәыс woman wife ахәыҷы child аҳ master, leader, king агәыла neighbour ақырҭуа georgian аиадыгь adyghe аҟарач karachay анаҩеи noghay ашәамахь/аерман armenian аурыс russian аҭырқәа turk аџьам persian ан mother аб father аҧа son аҧҳа daughter аиашьа brother аиаҳәшьа sister анду grandmother абду grandfather аҽы horse аҽара mule арбаҕь rooster арцына hen аҧсыӡ fish ардәына thrush blackbird shashvi аҩны house ажәҩан sky амра sun амза moon аиаҵәа star ашьха mountain анышә earth аҵәа apple дарбан who иарбан what? -цәа plural (for animates - humans only) аҷкәын-цәа boys аӡҕаб-цәа girls аҩыз-цәа friends ашахтиор-цәа miners астудент-цәа students -қәа plural for inanimates (also some exceptional animates) аҵла-қәа trees аҩ-қәа horses ажә-қәа cows аҧсыӡ-қәа fish ашьха-қәа mountains аҳәса-қәа women ахәәыҷ-қәа children ақырҭ-цәа/қәа агыр-цәа/қәа mingrelians ха-цәа-қәа-к some/certain men ҷкәын-цәа-қәа-к certain boys ӡҕаб-цәа-қәа-к -аа collective nouns абжьыу-аа abzhuys ауаҩы man ау-аа men, people, folk кама-раа kama's kama and his own people 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zhiguli Senior Member Canada Joined 6228 days ago 176 posts - 221 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Mandarin | Message 7 of 20 22 April 2007 at 1:17am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Spent days 6 and 7 reviewing the first two lessons. Took a brief peek at lesson 3 and the grammar. Have already ordered reinforcements: Hewitt's newspaper reader, some dictionaries, and a Georgian-Abkhaz phrasebook.
Read through the Abkhazian folk tale Ацгуы Иақутәаз Аҭакуажә and found some news articles (with translations) on the Abkhaz gov't website which could serve as a good "Rosetta stone" once I have a better grip on the grammar (highly doubtful in a 6-week time frame). Otherwise there's very little that sticks out as familiar, though I'm starting to notice a small number of loan words - Arabic/Persian: агьыл ag'yl گل gol (flower) аҧенџьыр aphenj'ir پنجره panjare (window) аҳақьым ahak'ym حكيم hakim (doctor) and Georgian: амза მზე amza - mze (moon in abkhaz, sun in georgian ???) ақалақь ქალაქი akalak' - kalaki (city). Edited by zhiguli on 22 April 2007 at 1:18am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zhiguli Senior Member Canada Joined 6228 days ago 176 posts - 221 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Mandarin | Message 8 of 20 24 April 2007 at 10:27am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Days 8 and 9 - more review, lesson 3/4, and some new words/constructions:
сара саб бзиа дызбоит - i love my father - showing pluripersonality ды-з-боит, where ды- is the object marker. past tense of some verbs сара сцоит - сцеит сара избоит - избеит сара саауеит - сааит сара сгылоуп - сгылоит imperative is formed from the bare root+pronominal marker: ана бца/уца go there! ара бааи/уааи come here! уааи is also used as a general urging word, like russian давай or georgian მოდი: уааи, акино ахь ҳцап let's go to the movies сара сцароуп i have to go бара бабацои/уара уабацои? where are you going? аУсура (aус аурА) to work аус суеит i work сара сус ибзИаны издЫруеит i know my work well Амазаара to have сара ала сЫмоуп i have a dog сара сла бзиа избоит i love my dog адЫрра to know сара кама дыздыруеит i know kama (another pluripersonal construction) questions are formed with suffix -ма бара амшын бзиа иббоит you (f) love the sea бара амшын бзиа иббо-ма? do you love the sea? бара аус буеит you work бара аус буама? do you work? negative is formed by taking off the final а of the question form сара сцом i don't go possessive prefixes сара - с(ы) уара - у(ы) бара - б(ы) иара - и(ы) лара - л(ы) иара (inanimate) - а ҳара - ҳ(а) шәара - шә(ы) дара - р(ы) ашәҟәы book сышәҟәы my book уышәҟәы, бышәҟәы, etc -ла with (also functions as instrumental case) анапы hand напыла with a hand ашьапы foot шьапы plural goes - анапқәа ры-ла with hands pronominal forms сара сыла, уара уыла, алиас иыла (with/by alias) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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