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zhiguli
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 Message 1 of 20
15 April 2007 at 8:01pm | IP Logged 
I was originally going to do Icelandic, but since I already have some experience with this language (that would unfairly skew the results...), I've chosen a language I know next to nothing about - Abkhazian.
I'm spending my first 30 minutes gathering my resources:

http://apsni.com/
http://www.abyzshwa.narod.ru/
http://www.acnet.ge/ike.htm
http://www.apsny.net/
http://www.kapba.de/Apsny.html

and formulating a good attack plan. Wish me luck.
Абзиараз!
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zhiguli
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 Message 2 of 20
16 April 2007 at 11:42pm | IP Logged 
Day 2
Finished reviewing the alphabet at http://apsni.com/alphabet.htm , paying special attention to the sounds that don't exist in or are different from Russian:

ь marks palatalization
гь, хь, кь etc
ә marks labialization
гә, дә, жә, кә etc
ҕ arabic غ
ҟ arabic ع
ҟь arabic ق
ҳ arabic ح
ҩ front w sound
ӡ dz
џ j
ж ш ҽ ҿ retroflex
жь шь ч ҷ alveolar/palatalized
қ, ҭ, ҧ, ц, ч, ҽ aspirated
к, т, п, ҵ, ҷ, ҿ glottalized

Started Lesson 1 at http://learn.apsni.com/ . Also found another page http://www.fuadiye.com/Abazapsua.html , which contains a short dictionary. Will be using it and the old apsny.net for important vocabulary items.

Spent a few minutes looking in the Georgian-Abkhaz grammar and took note of important words/grammar constructions:

аҩны house
ашәҟәш book
қарҭ tbilisi
аҩы horse
аҧсуа бызшәа/аҧсшәа the Abkhaz language
иацы yesterday
дцаит he went away
а- is the definite article (which is why most of the words begin with а...)
-да indicates "lack of"
ахы head хы-да headless
аҩы horse ҩы-да horseless
-ҩы suffix indicating profession
анха-ҩы farmer
арҵа-ҩы teacher
аҵа-ҩы student
-тә makes nouns out of verbs (?)
аусу-тә work
афа-тә food
adjectives come after the noun
ашәҟәы бзиа good book (lit. "book good")
ашьха ҳарак tall mountain
аҭыҧҳа ҧшӡа beautiful girl
Амшын Еиқәа the Black Sea
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zhiguli
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 Message 3 of 20
18 April 2007 at 4:25am | IP Logged 
Didn't do much today. Reviewed the first lesson and important vocabulary:

мшыбзиа hello
бзиа(ра) убааит/ббааит (response)
уара иухьӡуеи? бара ибыхьӡуеи? what's your name
сара исыхьӡуп ахра my name is...

абзИа good
агЫлара stand up
ацарА go/leave
абарА see
сара i
бзиа абара love
ачА bread
аб father
ан mother
Амра sun
аАхәара buy
амш day/weather
амшЫн sea
ашкОл school
сара сцОит/сгЫлоуп/избОит
сара биза избоит сани саби
сара иаАсхәоит ача

Анкьа before (a long time ago)
макьАна still (for the time being)
акәАц meat
Акәашара to dance

агарА to take (away)
агьАма taste
агәЫ heart
ахЫ head
иахьА today
ахь to (postpostition)
ахә price
ашкол ахь/аусурахь (to school/to work)

and learned the pronouns and the pronominal affixes for the verb "to go:

сара сцоит i go
уара уцоит you (m) go
бара бцоит you (f) go
иара дцоит he goes
лара дцоит she goes
иара ицоит it goes
ҳара ҳцоит we go
шәара шәцоит you (pl) go
дара ицоит they go

Edited by zhiguli on 18 April 2007 at 4:29am

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Jerrod
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 Message 4 of 20
20 April 2007 at 12:12am | IP Logged 
Hi. Good luck!
Is this language like Georgian? I see the alphabets are different, but do they have similiar roots? You mention a Georgian dictionary, do you know Georgian?

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Zorndyke
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 Message 5 of 20
20 April 2007 at 3:46am | IP Logged 
No, Abkhaz is not related to Georgian at all. They might have influenced each other due to geographical and political reasons which would become especially evident through loanwords, but they still belong to different language families and therefore are not genetically related in any way.
Abkhaz belongs to the Northwest Caucasian family and Georgian to the Kartvelian family.

btw, cool choice that you made zhiguli, once I also wanted to learn Abkhaz but there aren't enough materials to actually learn the language...

Edited by Zorndyke on 20 April 2007 at 3:48am

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zhiguli
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 Message 6 of 20
20 April 2007 at 4:06am | IP Logged 
Jerrod wrote:
Hi. Good luck!
Is this language like Georgian? I see the alphabets are different, but do they have similiar roots?


Иҭабуп! (thanks)
As Zorndyke said, they are not genetically related.
While I have heard that there are quite a few common roots between Abkhaz and Georgian I'm not in any position to judge. All I can say is that, thus far, I haven't noticed many (or any), and the grammar also differs in some important ways:
Abkhaz has a definite article while Georgian has none.
Georgian has noun cases, Abkhaz all but lacks case marking.
Right now I'm looking at some verb tables, and while Abkhaz does share pluripersonality with Georgian even here there are differences.
The sound systems of both languages are rather different as well. While there are superficial resemblances Abkhaz has a *lot* more consonants and only 2 (or 3) phonemic vowels. They certainly sound different.
By the way, since you know Russian you might want to look at the Abkhazian thread at lingvoforum.

Jerrod wrote:

You mention a Georgian dictionary, do you know Georgian?


No, but I have studied it and can (barely) read with a dictionary.

Zorndyke wrote:
btw, cool choice that you made zhiguli, once I also wanted to learn Abkhaz but there aren't enough materials to actually learn the language...

It is very frustrating and even worse when there are almost no webpages in the language.
There is one book that I know of, in English:
Hewitt, George, and Khiba, Zaira. (1997). An Abkhaz Newspaper Reader.
but it is expensive and hard to find.
There is also this:
http://www.apsny.ru/shop/shop.php#8
But it seems they do not ship outside Russia.

Day 5: did some review of the first two lessons, and some more reading in the Abkhaz-Georgian grammar.
Found an Abkhazian film Ҳаџьараҭ Кьахьба on youtube and will be using it for listening practice.


а-ца-ра а- dictionary (general) form, ца root ра suffix.

абара to see

сара избоит
бара иббоит
уара иубоит
иара (и)ибоит
лара илбоит

агара to take

сара изгоит
бара ибгоит
уара иугоит
иара (и)игоит
лара илгоит

аарА to come бара баауЕит саауеит уаауеит даауеит
арА (абрА) here
анА there
анхарА to live лара ара дынхОит иара ана дынхоит унхоит

Ааи (аиЕи) - yes.
мап (мамОу) no.

ауаҩы man human
ахаҵа man male husband
аҧҳәыс woman wife
ахәыҷы child
аҳ master, leader, king
агәыла neighbour
ақырҭуа georgian
аиадыгь adyghe
аҟарач karachay
анаҩеи noghay
ашәамахь/аерман armenian
аурыс russian
аҭырқәа turk
аџьам persian

ан mother
аб father
аҧа son
аҧҳа daughter
аиашьа brother
аиаҳәшьа sister
анду grandmother
абду grandfather

аҽы horse
аҽара mule
арбаҕь rooster
арцына hen
аҧсыӡ fish
ардәына thrush blackbird shashvi
аҩны house
ажәҩан sky
амра sun
амза moon
аиаҵәа star
ашьха mountain
анышә earth
аҵәа apple
дарбан who
иарбан what?
-цәа plural (for animates - humans only)
аҷкәын-цәа boys
аӡҕаб-цәа girls
аҩыз-цәа friends

ашахтиор-цәа miners
астудент-цәа students

-қәа plural for inanimates (also some exceptional animates)

аҵла-қәа trees
аҩ-қәа horses
ажә-қәа cows

аҧсыӡ-қәа fish
ашьха-қәа mountains

аҳәса-қәа women
ахәәыҷ-қәа children

ақырҭ-цәа/қәа
агыр-цәа/қәа mingrelians

ха-цәа-қәа-к some/certain men
ҷкәын-цәа-қәа-к certain boys
ӡҕаб-цәа-қәа-к

-аа collective nouns
абжьыу-аа abzhuys

ауаҩы man ау-аа men, people, folk

кама-раа kama's kama and his own people
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zhiguli
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 Message 7 of 20
22 April 2007 at 1:17am | IP Logged 
Spent days 6 and 7 reviewing the first two lessons. Took a brief peek at lesson 3 and the grammar. Have already ordered reinforcements: Hewitt's newspaper reader, some dictionaries, and a Georgian-Abkhaz phrasebook.

Read through the Abkhazian folk tale Ацгуы Иақутәаз Аҭакуажә and found some news articles (with translations) on the
Abkhaz gov't website which could serve as a good "Rosetta stone" once I have a better grip on the grammar (highly doubtful in a 6-week time frame). Otherwise there's very little that sticks out as familiar, though I'm starting to notice a small number of loan words - Arabic/Persian: агьыл ag'yl گل gol (flower) аҧенџьыр aphenj'ir پنجره panjare (window) аҳақьым ahak'ym حكيم hakim (doctor) and Georgian: амза მზე amza - mze (moon in abkhaz, sun in georgian ???) ақалақь ქალაქი akalak' - kalaki (city).

Edited by zhiguli on 22 April 2007 at 1:18am

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zhiguli
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 Message 8 of 20
24 April 2007 at 10:27am | IP Logged 
Days 8 and 9 - more review, lesson 3/4, and some new words/constructions:

сара саб бзиа дызбоит - i love my father - showing pluripersonality ды-з-боит, where ды- is the object marker.

past tense of some verbs
сара сцоит - сцеит
сара избоит - избеит
сара саауеит - сааит
сара сгылоуп - сгылоит

imperative is formed from the bare root+pronominal marker:

ана бца/уца go there!
ара бааи/уааи come here!

уааи is also used as a general urging word, like russian давай or georgian მოდი:
уааи, акино ахь ҳцап let's go to the movies

сара сцароуп i have to go

бара бабацои/уара уабацои? where are you going?

аУсура (aус аурА) to work
аус суеит i work
сара сус ибзИаны издЫруеит i know my work well
Амазаара to have сара ала сЫмоуп i have a dog
сара сла бзиа избоит i love my dog

адЫрра to know
сара кама дыздыруеит i know kama (another pluripersonal construction)

questions are formed with suffix -ма

бара амшын бзиа иббоит you (f) love the sea
бара амшын бзиа иббо-ма? do you love the sea?
бара аус буеит you work
бара аус буама? do you work?

negative is formed by taking off the final а of the question form

сара сцом i don't go


possessive prefixes

сара - с(ы)
уара - у(ы)
бара - б(ы)
иара - и(ы)
лара - л(ы)
иара (inanimate) - а
ҳара - ҳ(а)
шәара - шә(ы)
дара - р(ы)

ашәҟәы book
сышәҟәы my book
уышәҟәы, бышәҟәы, etc

-ла with (also functions as instrumental case)
анапы hand напыла with a hand
ашьапы foot шьапы

plural goes - анапқәа ры-ла with hands
pronominal forms
сара сыла, уара уыла, алиас иыла (with/by alias)


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