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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6331 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 25 of 167 05 October 2007 at 5:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
If you're saying that the total amount of time you spent was 30-60 minutes per day, and that the languages were completely new to you, I don't believe you.
It doesn't matter how you do it, preparing 100 paper flashcards from scratch for words you've never seen before will take a long time, probably more than an hour, maybe more than 2.
My apologies. I thought you were talking about modifying existing cards, but I see you are just adding words in any available space.
I worked with large numbers of paper flashcards for years - long enough to know that this particular method of yours is terribly inefficient. I occasionally use paper cards these days, but never for more than a few days. It is much more efficient for me to get things into an electronic program as soon as possible, usually after a few days of study in list form, and let the program manage things. Spending 30 minutes with the computer instead of 30 minutes with paper cards does not make one lazy.
All very interesting points, but have nothing to do with my criticism of your fictional method of using flashcards.
Since you persist in trying to get people to do this, let me point out specifically why it's so bad. 1) Duplicate, triplicate, quadruplicate, etc, effort. As furyou pointed out, a spaced repetition system is way more efficient. 2) Way to many words per day. If one can afford to spend 3 to 6 hours per day on vocab, then 100 words per day using this system is possible. Keep in mind though that a lot of review is required, and you will soon be spiraling out of control trying to do enough review to stay on top of what you've learned. I have nothing against flashcards, just this particular method. I also have nothing against learning a lot of vocab fast, if that's what one wants to do. 100 words a day is even possible for some people (using Iversen's method for example). I would suggest looking into the many better methods available here for example. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6986 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 26 of 167 05 October 2007 at 5:48am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
Are you suggesting that because computers didn't exist then Mezzofanti must have used paper flash cards? Is there is any chance that he didn't use flashcards? Edited by luke on 05 October 2007 at 6:31am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| M. Medialis Diglot TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member Sweden Joined 6138 days ago 397 posts - 508 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Russian, Japanese, French | Message 27 of 167 05 October 2007 at 5:56am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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(Mezzofanti could have been a socially gifted savant. I.e. no need for advanced methods etc.)
I really don't understand this thing about saying "this method doesn't work for me, therefore it's an inefficient method". Do you really believe that everybody acquires language skills in the same way as you do? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| xtremelingo Trilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6068 days ago 398 posts - 515 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Punjabi* Studies: German, French, Arabic (Written) | Message 28 of 167 05 October 2007 at 6:18am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
Leosmith,
3-6 hours for 100 words?? I'm sorry, but clearly we both have different learning abilities then. Perhaps I overestimated the learning abilities of some people on this forum. I thought for many this would be a piece of cake. Here let me spell it out for you, since I think it's the 'complexity' that may be blurring your vision to see the practicality of it. So I will try to explain once again in the most simplest terms. Each Group has 10 cards represented by an (imaginary) letter that is pulled from the Total Deck which contains 100 cards (100 words) PROCEDURE: - Always shuffle the cards when you goto the next deck or combined decks. Memorize (in each 'deck' native>target, target>native) Proceed only to the next "deck"/line only until you have 100% accuracy (both ways). DECK (Number of Cards in this Deck) A (10 cards) B (10 cards) AB (20 cards) C (10 cards) D (10 cards) CD (20 cards) E (10 cards) F (10 cards) EF (20 cards) G (10 cards) H (10 cards) GH (20 cards) I (10 cards) J (10 cards) IJ (20 cards) AB+CD = K (40 cards) EF+GH = L (40 cards) IJ+K = M (60 cards) M+L = N (100 cards) It honestly isn't really that difficult. Give it an honest shot, and you won't hate me so much for whatever reasons you do. Note (to all): If 100 is too much to handle. Simply divide everything by two, and do it for 50. If 100 is too easy, multiply by 2 (or higher). Edited by xtremelingo on 05 October 2007 at 6:52am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| lloydkirk Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6194 days ago 429 posts - 452 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian | Message 29 of 167 05 October 2007 at 7:04am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
Yes, but there are entirely different ways of going about it. I learn vocabulary by using assimil, foreign aviation magizines, watching movies and other things I enjoy doing but simply in my target language. Also, I love how you comment on my old posts and ignore the most recent one. You had already commented on this post... Edited by lloydkirk on 05 October 2007 at 7:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6690 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 30 of 167 05 October 2007 at 7:30am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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It's interesting to see a "war" as soon as xtremelingo starts a new thread. ;)
He's is mainly presenting another way to learn ~100 words, and I don't think that is impossible. At all. No supermemory. No peg method. Just learning the words in chunks of 10 instead of all hundred in one go. How difficult can it be to test if it "works"? Even if people here only use software, there must be some kind of setting so you can choose which words to focus on. As an experiment I'm going to test it for a couple days with LingQ, even I can't shuffle the cards, or study the words native->target. Ten words at a time. Then twenty. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| edwin Triglot Senior Member Canada towerofconfusi&Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6245 days ago 160 posts - 183 votes 9 sounds Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French, Spanish, Portuguese | Message 31 of 167 05 October 2007 at 8:11am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
Actually, many of us DO share our methods in the forums. Perhaps you have not been in the forum long enough, or you did not bother to search for the specific topics. In this case, I don't blame you. It happens to many of the new comers. But then please don't accuse people of not sharing their methods.
Please do. Remember you are always welcome to try other methods suggested in this forum. Also remember that time is gold. Find a method that works efficiently for you.
Oops. Sorry for bothering you Xtremelingo. I am out of here! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6331 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 32 of 167 05 October 2007 at 9:37am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
30-60 minutes? Is there anyone here who can even prepare the flashcards in that time? And what about review required for previous days cards? Experience tells me 3-6 hours is about right.
No thanks. I don't have that kind of time, and I'm not interested in learning 600 words out of context right now for the sole purpose of making me like you. How about being honest about the time it will take, modifying your review method so there isn't so much duplicate effort, and explaining how to maintain this over several days/weeks (which would include explaining the additional time it will take to review prior learnings)? Here, let me help you a little.
Combining decks is a waste of time. Reviewing more than twice a day is a waste of time. REVISED PROCEDURE: A (10 cards) B (10 cards) C (10 cards) D (10 cards) E (10 cards) F (10 cards) G (10 cards) H (10 cards) I (10 cards) J (10 cards) several hours later, but at least one hour before bed A (10 cards) B (10 cards) C (10 cards) D (10 cards) E (10 cards) F (10 cards) G (10 cards) H (10 cards) I (10 cards) J (10 cards) (total: 200 reps) The rest is up to you. If you insist staying in paper, you might try the paper leitner method, or the 3 stack method for your reviews. However, I would encourage you to take the big leap into the 20th century and dump cards into an electronic flashcard program after you've been in paper for several days, and letting the program manage your reviews. Good luck. Edited by leosmith on 05 October 2007 at 10:03am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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