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| furyou_gaijin Senior Member Japan Joined 6173 days ago 540 posts - 631 votes  Speaks: Latin* | Message 9 of 18 18 October 2007 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
So why does this mean you can discard it? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Russianbear Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6562 days ago 358 posts - 422 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, Ukrainian Studies: Spanish | Message 10 of 18 18 October 2007 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Daren, a lot of it is phonetics, but part of it are actual words one may use. Since the languages are so close, people can get away with words that are not technically in the other language, and will be understood anyway.
So a Ukrainian could insert Ukrainian words and say things like "vzhe" instead of "uzhe", "dobre" instead of "khorosho", "treba" instead of "nado" etc - and be understood. As for phonetics, your "gorod" example is good (note that a Ukrainian can give himself away by using "misto", which is the ukrainian word for "town", or even "myesto", which is a Russian cognate that means "place", not "town", etc), though if it is said with the ukrainian "g", it is even more Ukrainian sounding. A typical example is the mispronounced "chto", that is pronounced "scho" or "sho". In short, it is the tendency to insert Ukrainian words, sounds ("g" and the vowels) and - sometimes- being overly phonetical. Russian accent in Ukrainian would be the reverse. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Daren Diglot Newbie Hungary Joined 6035 days ago 10 posts - 10 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, English Studies: German, Russian | Message 11 of 18 18 October 2007 at 12:52pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I didn't say I will discard it. I just pointed out, that in Ukrainian, the vocative case is used in everyday life, but in Russian it is only used in literature, older texts and church, so learning the remains of the vocative case in Russian is not vital to be understood for a beginner learner, but if I want to advance to a better level I will learn it. Edited by Daren on 18 October 2007 at 12:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ElfoEscuro Diglot Senior Member United States cyworld.com/brahmapu Joined 6076 days ago 408 posts - 423 votes Speaks: Portuguese, English* Studies: Japanese | Message 12 of 18 18 October 2007 at 5:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Interesting stuff. How about Belarusians? How is their Russian and how about Russians' Belarusian? (Sorry, a bit off topic) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Daren Diglot Newbie Hungary Joined 6035 days ago 10 posts - 10 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, English Studies: German, Russian | Message 13 of 18 19 October 2007 at 10:30am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thanks everyone for your answers!
After thinking over the Pros. and Cons., that I had collected, your opinions and my research, I've decided which language will I learn. I'm going to learn Russian, I'm not really sure that I'm going to learn other Slavic languages (except maybe Ukrainian after I will have learned Russian) so the greater transparency of Ukrainian to other Slavic languages doesn't have much use for me. While I had my special reasons to learn Ukrainian, I think Russian would me more useful at the moment, since it is a world language, both in the real world and on the internet. And as Russianbear said, if I decide to stop learning Slavic languages after I learn Russian, I'll be stuck with the most useful language of that language family, so even if I don't learn Ukrainian after learning Russian (but I think I will learn it) I'll have a language that is useful in both Russia and Ukraine, and other parts of the world too. Edited by Daren on 19 October 2007 at 10:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Russianbear Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6562 days ago 358 posts - 422 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, Ukrainian Studies: Spanish | Message 14 of 18 19 October 2007 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Good luck with Russian, Daren.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6384 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 15 of 18 19 October 2007 at 4:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Another point: I think understanding written Ukrainian for a speaker of Russian is easier than vice versa.
As for Belarusian, many people in Belarus speak Trasianka - including Lukashenko. Russianbear, yes, Belarusian can be rarely encountered in daily life, except on TV and also in the press, on the signs etc. BTW, a nice feature of Belarusian is that the stress can often be predicted from the spelling - like Russian, it has vowel reduction, but unlike in Russian it's also reflected in the orphography. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6059 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 16 of 18 24 October 2007 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Lee Harvey Oswald lived in Minsk during his rather mysterious Soviet period. He became fluent in Russian but seems to have had little or no exposure to Belarusian (or Belorussian, my preferred spelling).
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