Kugel Senior Member United States Joined 6323 days ago 497 posts - 555 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 17 of 27 18 November 2007 at 11:33am | IP Logged |
Apparently we are supposed to take their word for it that the program actually has a science behind it. There have been threads that tried to get to the heart of this matter, and no answers were given. Maybe another marketer will stop by and try the whole science pitch once again.
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slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6460 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 18 of 27 18 November 2007 at 3:02pm | IP Logged |
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
A thought just struck me - an online transcript might in fact scare people away from buying the product, like "Is this all it teaches?" (having the ~500 words in mind). It could possibly inspire students to learn the material on their own (nothing wrong with that, only less money for S&S) or even find a native speaker in the area ("I'll buy you a beer or two if you record this for me on tape").
Of course, the method is more about sentence patterns, pronunciation and to some extent spaced repetition than just words, but who knows what people out there are thinking. |
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That's the problem.
You can buy a good text to speech software and a flashcard software (with the spaced repetition feature) with a little fraction of Pimsleur price.
Write in the flashcard question the pimsleur sentence in L1 and in answer the pimsleur sentence in L2 ,your target language. Play with the flashcard and spaced repetition. Every time you read the target language you play the text to speech and you can save them in mp3...and voilĂ ...You have something much more powerful and faster than pimsleur.
In fact, you can use this with any phrasebook, easier online, and forget the overpriced pimsleur.
I can understand their companies concerns.
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Bruce Groupie United States Joined 6008 days ago 65 posts - 65 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French, German
| Message 19 of 27 18 November 2007 at 5:27pm | IP Logged |
All of the above mentioned problems could be solved if they just included the transcripts with the program.
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owshawng Senior Member United States Joined 6671 days ago 202 posts - 217 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 20 of 27 20 November 2007 at 9:26pm | IP Logged |
I think Pimsleur is way overpriced. When I start learning another language I will not use Pimsleur, not even from a library. 45 hours to learn 500 words is nuts. And that's if you don't repeat any of the lessons. I've found a few sources on the web and cd that are far superior to Pimsleur for learning Mandarin, a lot more cost efficient, and 2 are definitely more fun.
I wonder if S&S were concerned people would realize they were paying over $1 a word to learn how to say "microphone", "flower appreciation" and other extremely important words.
Some good has come from this thread. It has motivated me to sell my Pimsleur sets to finance much more enjoyable resources.
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Hoopskidoodle Senior Member United States Joined 5285 days ago 55 posts - 68 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French
| Message 21 of 27 02 January 2010 at 8:18am | IP Logged |
morphy wrote:
It is saddening to see this reaction from a language learning editor. The people who are using the transcripts simply want to get the most out of their Pimsleur programs. |
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I'm actually glad that they don't include the transcripts. I'm presently studying French using Pimsleur. I was able to find written transcripts for all of level 1 and half of level 2. Now that I'm past that point, I write the transcripts myself, which gives me added practice in writing as well as aural comprehension. On those rare occasions when I find myself stumped by some, to me, unintelligible spoken phrase, I rip it to .mp3 and then go on WordReference or French About.com and ask one of the native Francophones what is being said.
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Hoopskidoodle Senior Member United States Joined 5285 days ago 55 posts - 68 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French
| Message 22 of 27 02 January 2010 at 8:26am | IP Logged |
slucido wrote:
You can buy a good text to speech software and a flashcard software (with the spaced repetition feature) with a little fraction of Pimsleur price.
Write in the flashcard question the pimsleur sentence in L1 and in answer the pimsleur sentence in L2 ,your target language. Play with the flashcard and spaced repetition. Every time you read the target language you play the text to speech and you can save them in mp3. |
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You can simply use Anki (for free) and instead of listening to .mp3s, you can rip the audio from Pimsleur and use it as the answer side of the "forward" cards. You can also include the the written target language on the answer side as well.
Also, there are many good web-based free Text to Speech sites. Acapela leaps immediately to mind. I use Text2Speech only where I don't have an actual ripped recording of a native speaker.
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rostocpj Pentaglot Newbie United States Joined 5276 days ago 21 posts - 33 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, French, Toki Pona Studies: Esperanto, Indonesian, Shanghainese, Cantonese
| Message 23 of 27 03 January 2010 at 5:34am | IP Logged |
I'm not necessarily agreeing with S&S on this one but they do say in the tiny pamphlet that comes with it that you're not supposed to use written materials in conjunction with the audio course. It's supposed to help you learn more like a child and less like someone who already has certain reading habits almost hardwired into their brain. They may see the transcripts as counterproductive to their program. I'm still debating whether or not I agree.
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amarilla Diglot Newbie Venezuela Joined 4986 days ago 2 posts - 4 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2
| Message 24 of 27 30 August 2010 at 3:47am | IP Logged |
Hello!
So... all debating aside, does anyone actually has the transcripts of "Pimsleur French for English Speaker"?
I'm a very visual person, so they would help me a lot!
I'm hoping maybe someone can send them to my email?
Thank you :)
PD: my email: rq_araguaney(a)yahoo(dot)com.
Edited by amarilla on 30 August 2010 at 4:35am
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