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| Earle Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6097 days ago 276 posts - 276 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Norwegian, Spanish | Message 17 of 39 26 March 2008 at 10:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
I meant to address this earlier. I have a friend here, originally from the Rhineland, who, to my surprise one evening, expressed a great deal of resentment over the advantages afforded refugees from the the DDR (prior to the wall-downfall, of course). One of her points of resentment was that they spoke "perfect German, by definition," as best I can translate it. And, paparaciii, a dialect-free language sounds to me like a strait-jacket... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Leopejo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5891 days ago 675 posts - 724 votes Speaks: Italian*, Finnish*, English Studies: French, Russian | Message 18 of 39 27 March 2008 at 3:36am | IP Logged | |||||
Strange that you would ask. Dialects represent a cultural richness. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Leopejo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5891 days ago 675 posts - 724 votes Speaks: Italian*, Finnish*, English Studies: French, Russian | Message 19 of 39 27 March 2008 at 3:40am | IP Logged | |||||
Whether they get their instruction in a standard language or in dialect, I see that less and less of a problem. I don't know the German situation, but it can't be worse than the Italian one, where today young people have no problem communicating with anybody. Television is such a powerful invention. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 5904 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 20 of 39 27 March 2008 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think the comparison of Germany and Italy is a good one. I think both countries agglomerated multiple smaller "city states/provinces," each with it's own "language," into a country in the 19th century and thus needed a common language. German ended up with "Hochdeutsch" as a result of the influence of Luther's bible and Italy ended up with the Italian of tuscany as a result of the influence of Dante. I would love it if someone more knowledgeable could correct/expand my understanding of this. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Leopejo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5891 days ago 675 posts - 724 votes Speaks: Italian*, Finnish*, English Studies: French, Russian | Message 21 of 39 27 March 2008 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
There are many reasons why Tuscan became the official Italian. Certainly the Dante - Petrarca - Boccaccio trio was an important factor. In addition, Tuscan is the "cleanest" language, the more similar to Latin, the reason being, for me, that the so dissimilar Etruscan language was completely wiped off (apart from some Etruscan words still common in Italian) during Roman conquest and didn't blend into spoken Latin. But I'm not a linguist. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Earle Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6097 days ago 276 posts - 276 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Norwegian, Spanish | Message 22 of 39 27 March 2008 at 1:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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That's pretty accurate, I'd say. I would not go so far as "language," but the dialects definitely differed from one another more than, say, English dialects, spread over the British Isles outside the Celtic areas. There's a lot more pressure to be able to understand the boss in the capital city, once the principalities consolidated. Pride of dialect really is tied, to some degree, to earlier independence and statehood. That doesn't exist in America, even in the American South, home of a "failed state." ;) Edited by Earle on 27 March 2008 at 2:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| !LH@N Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6603 days ago 487 posts - 531 votes Speaks: German, Turkish*, English Studies: Serbo-Croatian, Spanish | Message 23 of 39 28 March 2008 at 10:28am | IP Logged | |||||
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Haha, I think I'm an hardcore proponent of Hochdeutsch, that might be because I'm Bielefelder (besides being a Turk :D), or because I'm a city kid (I think it's the former though).
I like youth slang/dialect though (Komm ma kla alta, so geht dat doch net! Was geht mit dir? Ich labba doch Hochdeutsch! :D), and Berlinerisch is pretty funny too (Ik hub keen problem damit). I think the more urbanized, younger generation here in Germany (or at least in northern Neukölln in Berlin) looks down on dialects as a little...ehm...how would you say..zurück geblieben, especially Bayerisch is not liked at all. Regards, Ilhan PS: I used to have a PE teacher, and now have a coach who speaks Säsisch...that's one funny dialect :D 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 5904 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 24 of 39 28 March 2008 at 11:47am | IP Logged | |||||
I like those northern dialects that are closer to Dutch than to Hochdeutsch. E.g., "Ik hub keen problem" above vs. "Ik heb geen probleem" in Dutch. Also, is Saesisch the same thing as Saechsisch? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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