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| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6725 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes  Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 9 of 32 28 March 2008 at 12:43am | IP Logged | |||||
I would also check the total number of hours of English instruction in those countries by the time a person graduates from High School. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| raeve Diglot Groupie GermanyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6144 days ago 65 posts - 66 votes Speaks: EnglishB2, German* Studies: Swedish, Serbian, Spanish | Message 10 of 32 28 March 2008 at 3:53am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well actually the majority of Germans speak really lousy English, or no English at all. I guess this is because in Germany all the movies and TV shows are dubbed, not subtitled. It's a ridiculous, stupid and annoying practice but most Germans would be scared to watch anything in English with German subtitles because they're convinced they won't understand a thing.
There are people trying to change that, but it seems pretty hopeless. Edited by raeve on 28 March 2008 at 3:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| badger2 Senior Member Finland Joined 6393 days ago 156 posts - 156 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish, Finnish | Message 11 of 32 28 March 2008 at 4:09am | IP Logged | |||||
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If I had to place it on any one item, I'd say it's the no-dubbing thing.
And also in school, fluency is an expectation, not a far fetched wish. Edited by badger2 on 28 March 2008 at 4:09am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Earle Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6097 days ago 276 posts - 276 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Norwegian, Spanish | Message 12 of 32 28 March 2008 at 7:35am | IP Logged | |||||
Wow, never thought of it. The dubbing is usually very good, also. So, there are hours of free English instruction going down the drain every day, if you want to look at it that way... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tpark Tetraglot Pro Member Canada Joined 6828 days ago 118 posts - 127 votes Speaks: English*, German, Dutch, French Personal Language Map | Message 13 of 32 28 March 2008 at 9:58am | IP Logged | |||||
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One of the strange things I saw on the television during our stay in The Netherlands was a Belgian detective show. They spoke only slightly differently, but the program had subtitles anyway. Perhaps creating subtitles preserves jobs somewhere in the system. It had been explained to me that the Belgians had subtitled shows coming from Holland, and this was done as some kind of retaliatory move.
Most of my wife's relatives have an excellent command of the English language. On earlier trips, it was clear that they could speak comfortably with the Germans in German. I wonder if it's related to the size of the country too. If you've got a huge country, there may be a lot more people who have difficulty reading the subtitles, and with dubbing anyone who can understand German can watch the program. If you can't see very well, or can't read too fast, subtitles would be a problem. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ra Diglot Newbie Norway Joined 5921 days ago 14 posts - 19 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: German, French | Message 14 of 32 28 March 2008 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
In Norway there have been several reforms since the 90's so an accurate number would be hard to obtain. I remember having anything from 2 to 4, maybe 5, hours a week, starting at age 7. And now they are starting English instruction at age 5 or 6. I do think however, that the influence of anglophone culture (cinema, TV, videogames and music primarily) is the most important factor. Edited by Ra on 28 March 2008 at 12:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6457 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 15 of 32 28 March 2008 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It seems the media influence is the most important factor.
I think this was the method used to spread English in Philippines. Movies, TV, newspapers, comics and textbooks in English. No dubbed and no subtitles. I don't think school is so important, unless almost all textbooks and classes were in English. Learning a foreign language to a native level is a extreme goal and extreme measures are needed. Much more if you are talking about a population. Edited by slucido on 28 March 2008 at 12:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| SamD Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6441 days ago 823 posts - 987 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, Norwegian | Message 16 of 32 28 March 2008 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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When I taught English as a second language, we routinely screened US movies with English subtitles. Our students found that to be a helpful way to learn English.
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