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| Alkeides Senior Member Bhutan Joined 6146 days ago 636 posts - 644 votes  | Message 89 of 140 01 February 2009 at 10:28am | IP Logged | |||||
Completely off the topic, but is your username based on that song by The Beatles? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| TheNightBefore Newbie United States Joined 5817 days ago 29 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin | Message 90 of 140 01 February 2009 at 12:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yeah. I love The Beatles.
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| parasitius Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5996 days ago 220 posts - 323 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: Cantonese, Polish, Spanish, French | Message 91 of 140 01 February 2009 at 7:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think you're trolling hardcore, but anyway: I don't see what the basis on which you are differentiating this so-called "language entitlement" from the plethora of other forms of proper/improper 'entitlement' senses seen throughout the human experience. My own dear mother thought that when she graduated with a certain degree from college that someone "owed" her a job and "owed" it to her to be overjoyed to have her as an employee, and still mentions the fact to this day. Some portion of Blacks in America have been taught from birth that the Whites are holding back from them that which they deserve and are entitled to, and so you have a depressing situation with underachievement in school etc. by black youth. Some Africans tribal people and whatnot believe in a zero-sum primitive theory of economics and that because America is rich and holds "their share" of wealth, they are destined to be in poverty. Do you think the above groups also lack in the sex department?? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Starfallen Groupie United States Joined 5815 days ago 43 posts - 49 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 92 of 140 02 February 2009 at 9:43am | IP Logged | |||||
I think what he's trying to say is attitude can create a self fulfilling prophecy. And it's very true. If you always have your guard up and always on the defensive, people will pick up on that. As for why women complain about this less often? I don't know. Usually when I'm traveling I'm with my husband. He's quite a bit more outgoing than me, so it's easy to just let him deflect the attention away if someone is being overwhelming. Or perhaps we come off as less competitive or less threatening? Especially to the opposite sex? Generally I'm more likely to be offended by another woman being rude, whereas men tend to be a little more polite to me... I'm not sure why this is. Maybe men try harder to impress the opposite sex, while other women will be more competitive with each other. Edited by Starfallen on 02 February 2009 at 9:44am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6747 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 93 of 140 02 February 2009 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Oh please! I can't believe any one is taking serious that celebate munbo jumbo bullcrap. Anyone with any sense knows he is just trying to troll the tread. He is just filling it with offensive and immature comments of sexual nature. Of course always attacking others in the sexual department always seems like a last resort lowest form of attack in any kind of discussion, argument, row, et cetera. And the words of a madman who claims he can see into our souls are not very convincing.
I personally don't see us as any kind of extremists driven by some underlying inadequacy. I just believe that when we Anglophones are involved in some kind of language immersion program abroad, we shouldn't feel that we have to always be made to speak English by locals who see us then target us for whater reason (English practice, showing off, et cetera). Non Anglophones are not often burdened this way during their studies. So why should we? It is not our fault that our native language has become widespread. Now, I don't think this is any kind of extremist view based on underlying inadequacies. Also, speaking of a sense of "entitlement", don't the foreigners too have the sin of feeling this sense of "entitlement" when they expect us to give them English practice? Just because we are X nationality and just happen to be in their country? Like Parasitius recommended, read his website as it has quite a lot of useful information in my opinion. Instead of me writing why our perspective is not extremist and simply just that we want to intergrate into the environment of the target language and get the most out of our immersion programs, just read his well made site. http://englishbanditry.com/pledge/index.php Again I will stress why my viewpoint isn't extremist and why I have recently gotten interested in this issue. This year I will be studying in Japan at a university on a foreign exchange program. Not Inaka (country side Japan) like last time. I will not appreciate being hassled by any smug, English language trigger happy university students, simply because they want English practice. My language happens to be a widely spoken lingua franca, so if I made concessions to everyone, my immersion time would diminish. I naturally want to get the most out of this program in the limited time in which I will be in Japan. Now, is this extremist, filled with hatred or wrong in any way? Because of the environment in which I will find myself, that is one filled with university students who may have more interest in English than the general population, and will instantly associate my European appearance with English speaker, I am interested in finding ways around this. If necessary, I will use the Kohei method which Parasitius liked. Simply only respond when spoken to in the target language. Hell, it is an immersion program, what do you expect? Firstly I will explain honestly that I am simply not in "English language mode" along with my reasons. If that is not enough, I will use the Kohei approach. Parasitius, One feature of this is not its immediate result, but the after-effect. By this I mean your behaviour will send out a message that you are just not interested in speaking English with anyone. People will catch onto this and then realize that you are not interested in speaking English with them. As a result most of those looking for only English practice in a friendship should in theory get the message and not bother with you. Like I say, I have not done this method yet, but Kohei built up a reputation as someone who will only speak nothing but English, so people did so with him. When I was in language school in Japan, after I told my classmates that I will only speak Japanese and gave my honest study orientated reasons, most people only addressed me in Japanese. So in short, make a reputation for yourself, make clear that the policy is X-language only, and then people most of the time should get the message. Parasitius, 頑張れぞ！ For those who don't like long posts, except for the message within aimed for Parasitius, my point is that my viewpoint isn't based on extremism or hatred, just my appreciation for immersion study programs and the way that I treat with importance the limited time I may have when abroad. Out. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Starfallen Groupie United States Joined 5815 days ago 43 posts - 49 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 94 of 140 02 February 2009 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yeah his post may have been a bit of a flame bait...it's actually a pretty astute metaphor in my opinion. Generally, I find in life that people will treat you the way you expect to be treated... if you expect to feel like a doormat, people will use you as one. It isn't fair, but then things rarely are.
You've heard the expression "dress for success"? :)
Well then I guess that's the key difference. Not everyone shares the same approach to language learning and opinion on what's acceptable/rude. But we've already beaten this point to death. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6747 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 95 of 140 03 February 2009 at 10:38am | IP Logged | |||||
Dress to impress. Exactly. Like I said before in a previous post, I have been changing my attitude recently. I am transforming from that timid, passive, easy pushover kid to an assertive adult. Assertive. Not aggressive. As Cesar Millan, the Dog Whisperer puts it, I want to be calm assertive. Just that, not agressive. But certainly not passive at all. With my newfound assertiveness, I am not predicting to be a doormat. So I don't think I suffer from any self-fullfulling prophecy. I don't even always have to feel that I am on guard. If I just use the Kohei strategy, it will just be like an antivirus protection on block all mode. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Keith Diglot Moderator JapanRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6775 days ago 526 posts - 536 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 96 of 140 21 April 2009 at 6:08am | IP Logged | |||||
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I was attacked by an English bandit today! I live in Japan and this has never happened to me before.
I was riding my bicycle across the intersection and this woman on the other side sees me coming and stops me. Then she pulls out some sentences she wrote for me to correct. Maybe it was her homework, I don't know. I thought this is so rare, so unusual. She was polite enough to ask me if I have time. I could have said I was in a big hurry. I could have snarled at her. I could have been really rude. But I wasn't in a hurry. I wanted to represent my people in a positive light, so I cheerfully helped her. There were about 10 or 15 sentences only and it only took about 10 minutes of my time. If I were an English teacher I could have gotten a new contact and maybe a new student. It was just so strange that somebody could stop a stranger on the street and ask for help with homework. Fortunately for her, I am such a nice guy. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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