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| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4892 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 105 of 204 26 January 2013 at 9:06pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I like the concept of the list of challenges, but too much of the Team Mir's list looks
like school homework! (But maybe I'm just lazy, and don't want to write short essays). For us I'd prefer more fun activities, and ones we all do together each month. Something along the lines of ... JAN: Post a link to a song, and write about the lyrics here FEB: MAR: ... etc (of course, we could do both. Have the challenges, but still have a group activity) I was thinking along the lines of - - Cook a recipe from your PAX language. Post the results - Team PAX Happy Hour: find a cocktail recipe in your TL. - Switch your computer, phone, etc to PAX for a week. - Send everyone in Team PAX a postcard in your language - Memorize a short poem. Translate it here - Flash Mob another site, like BBC Languages, and play the games there any others? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
 songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5212 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 106 of 204 27 January 2013 at 4:38am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes, Kanewai - I'm absolutely in agreement. I like having a shorter list, with an emphasis on fun, and participants doing them at (approximately) the same time. The model that Mir/ Viking/ (and some others) have seems to be that of a much longer list, with "points" given for each activity done. That may work well for some people (and there seems to be some enthusiasm for it here), but - speaking just for myself - I can all too easily see it becoming a chore/duty. (But it is a truly impressive list.) FYI: Language Sponge's Team Mir Challenges, post 287 . A couple of notes: -I love Solfrid Cristin's idea of having a "Discovery of the Day" feature on the team thread. See MIR post 224. To a certain degree, many of us already do this on our logs (after all, that's what a log is about: recording our discoveries, explorations, and - we hope! - achievements and milestones in the language), but perhaps it'd be a nice idea to also share some of the discoveries on the team thread...? -We can repeat activities too, of course. I myself enjoy cooking, and had been thinking of having something akin to the French Fridays with Dorie idea. - Well, except once a month, and not on Fridays, and perhaps using other cookbooks as well. (Okay, so not so much akin to the FFwD. But I do own Around My French Table anyway.) So. Possible other activities/ideas: - Language Discovery of the Day. As above. Idea snaffled from Solfrid Cristin. We don't have to post a new language discovery every day, of course; just to mark it with that header when we do. - Cool [insert language] Word Discovery. Similar to the above, but for vocab..? - Re. cooking in your target language. Choose a recipe either written in your target language, or from the culture of your target language, and translate it and/ or prepare it. If you don't actually enjoy cooking, you could just do the translation. If it's a delicious (and simple) enough recipe, perhaps someone else may be tempted to try the dish and post the results...!? For those people studying French Chocolate and Zucchini is a bilingual food blog, so the translation's already done for you. - Watch a film in your target language. (With or without captions or subtitles, as your language level allows.) - Watch a TV programme in your target language. (Again, with or without captions or subtitles, as your language level allows.) - Watch or read a news story in your target language. If we do this around the same week/day, it'd be an interesting comparison of what different countries may consider "headline" news at the same time. Or it may offer differing perspectives on the same news item. - Collaboratively create a "top ten" (or whatever - twelve? Or..?) list of films made in your target language. -Collaboratively create a "top ten" list of books for beginners studying the target language. -Collaboratively create a "top ten" list of classics you want to (eventually) read in the original. Subsets: Authors, or titles of specific works. -Collaboratively create a list of "top ten" people in the performing arts, who work in your target language. Maybe have one list of actors/actresses; another for singers...? The "top ten" lists could be scheduled for later in the year, to allow time for people to listen, watch, read, and mull on it as they study their target language/s. ----- That's it off the top of my head. Will update this post if/as I think of anything else. Comments, other ideas...? Edited by songlines on 27 January 2013 at 4:49am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5212 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 107 of 204 27 January 2013 at 5:39am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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In case anyone hasn't seen the thread in the General Discussion section, the
Six Week Challenge is starting in a few days. Registration is now open, with full details linked in Sprachprofi's first post. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5885 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 108 of 204 28 January 2013 at 12:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I was already decided to choose a song from the album Come è Profondo il Mare by Lucio Dalla. This is a somewhat pessimistic/realistic album, whose lyrics may not please people who are in a happy mood.
My preferred songs in this album are "Come è Profondo il Mare" and "Quale Allegria", but I've chosen "Il Cucciolo Alfredo" because I wanted lyrics whith the not so easy ne word. The Italian "ne", the Catalan "en" and the French "en" have some shared features, but each has also its singular features and uses. You won't find anything similar in Portuguese and (as far as I can see) in Spanish. Indeed, these three words are not so easy in each of those languages and the Catalan "en" belogs, from my perspective, to the "problematic family in the Catalan grammar". In the song below, the "ne" seems to play only a reinforcement role. For me, this song talks about loneliness and meaninglessness, but also to the hope that simple actions and personal attitudes change might give people not only comfort but some real happiness. Lyrics Il Cucciolo Alfredo Tra le case e i palazzi di una strada d'inferno si vede una stella tanto bella e violenta che si dovrebbe vergognare. Televisori e cucine, così uguali, con i denti di bocca di uno venuto dal centro in cerca di un dramma da annusare. Il cucciolo Alfredo, avvilito e appuntito, con i denti da lupo tradito, ci pensa un attimo e poi sale, si tratta di un giovane autobus dall'aspetto sociale e il biglietto gratuito regalo di un'amministrazione niente male. Nemmeno Natale è una sera normale con gli occhi per terra la gente prepara la guerra. C'è guerra nei viali del centro, dove anche il vento è diverso, son diversi gli odori per uno che viene da fuori un grande striscione con uno scudo e una croce e una stella cometa, la reclame di una dieta, pistola alla mano la città si prepara a sommare il danaro, a una giornata più amara. Alla quarta fermata, senza nessuna ragione, scendendo deciso il cucciolo Alfredo s'inventa un sorriso, sorride a uno scherzo di donna, a un amico che alle sette di sera, dopo più di tre anni è appena uscito di galera. Il complesso cileno affisso sul muro promette spettacolo, un colpo sicuro. La musica andina, che noia mortale, sono più di tre anni che si ripete sempre uguale, mentre il cucciolo Alfredo canta in modo diverso la canzone senza note di uno che si è perso: canzone diversa ma canzone d'amore, cantata tra i denti, da cuore a cuore. Se la sua è cattiveria io la prendo per mano, ce ne andremo lontano Se la sua è cattiveria io la prendo per mano, ce ne andremo lontano Se la sua è cattiveria io la prendo per mano, ce ne andremo lontano. ************************************************** My translation. Italian speakers help will be welcome. Among houses and buildings of a road from hell you see a star so beautiful and violent one should be ashamed. the same TVs and kitchens, with the teeth of the mouth come from the center looking for a drama to smell. The puppy Alfredo, humiliated and pointed, with the teeth of a betrayed wolf, thinks for a moment and then goes away, it's a new bus of social looks and a free ticket Gift from a not so bad administration. Not even Christmas, it's a normal evening with eyes on the ground people prepare for war. There is war in the streets of the center, where even the wind is different, different are the smells for someone who comes from outside a large banner with a shield and a cross and a comet, the advertising of a diet, gun in hand the city is preparing to add up the money, in a more bitter day. At the fourth stop, for no reason, descending decided the puppy Alfredo invents a smile, smiles at a joke of a woman, to a friend who at seven in the evening, after more than three years it just got out of jail. The chilean complex posted on the wall promises a show, a sure hit. The boring andean music, repeats itself for more than three years, while the puppy Alfredo sings in a different way the song without notes of one who is lost: different songs, but love songs, sung between the teeth, from heart to heart. If its is evil I take it by the hand, we'll go far If its is evil I take it by the hand, we'll go far If its is evil I take it by the hand, we'll go far Edited by Flarioca on 28 January 2013 at 12:42am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4892 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 109 of 204 28 January 2013 at 8:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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My song: Marcia baila by Les Rita Mitsuoko.
I heard it in Les témoins (The Witnesses, André Téchiné, 2007), and thought it was the most perfect 80's dance song ever. The French thought so too; it was a major hit in 1985, though I don't remember it crossing over to the US. And the video is all kinds of awesome - think a French precursor to the Scissors Sisters. Spoilers ahead ... watch the video before reading! I didn't learn the story behind the song until recently. It's a tribute to the Argentine dancer Marcia Moretto, who died from cancer at the age of 32. The lead singer and guitarist of Les Rita both studied with her, and she might have danced with the duo (Wikipedia has conflicting information here). The song talks about the joy they got from watching Marcia dance, even while death stalks her. Sur du satin de la rayonne Dur polystirene expanse A ses pieds Marcia dance avec des jambes Aiguisees comme des couperets Deux fleches qui donnent des idees Des sensations Marcia elle est maigre Belle en scene belle comme a la ville La voir danser me transforme En excitee Moretto comme ta bouche Est immense quand to souris Et quand tu ris je ris aussi Tu aimes tellement la vie Quel est donc ce froid Que l'on sent en toi? Mais c'est la mort Qui t'a assassinee Marcia C'est la mort Tu t'es consumee Marcia C'est le cancer Que tu as pris sous ton bras Maintenant tu es en cendres, cendres La mort c'est comme une chose impossible Et meme a toi qui est forte comme une fusee Et meme a toi qui est la vie meme Marcia C'est la mort qui t'a emmenee Marcia danse un peu chinois La chaleur dans les mouvements d'epaules And here's my translation of the middle section: Beautiful on the stage and beautiful in the city Watching her dance transforms me and excites me Moretto, your mouth is so grand when you smile And when you laugh, I laugh also You love life so much But now what is this cold That one senses in you? But it is death That has murdered you, Marcia It's death frenchrescue has uploaded 72 French videos with the French lyrics and English translations. I just found it, just now, while looking for links to Marcia Baila. It looks pretty awesome. And here's an early vote for a cooking activity in February. Edited by kanewai on 28 January 2013 at 8:18pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
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Ooh, songs, what a fun idea. I've marked some especially nifty vocabulary in boldface. And I apologize for my translation: These are clever lyrics, and I'm going butcher them.
Anything marked with ** is either a bit weird in the original, or beyond my knowledge of French. MC Solaar, Clic-clic French lyrics from here
My favorite lyrics here are:
…which was one of the first actual artistic experiences I ever had in French. And I'm also quite impressed by the last verse:
Another great thing about this video: You can see quite clearly how he articulates his lips when he sings. EDIT: I just watched Marcia Baila. That's just delightfully 80s. :-) *relurks* Edited by emk on 28 January 2013 at 9:57pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Quique Diglot Senior Member Spain cronopios.net/Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4685 days ago 183 posts - 313 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, German | Message 111 of 204 28 January 2013 at 11:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Joan Petit is a popular Occitan song from about the XVth century. It expanded along the Pyrenees, so there are also versions in French (Joan Petit), Aragonese (Chuan Chiquet) and Catalan. In the Basque land the music is known as Ipurdi dantza. You can listen this recording in Occitan.
It's danced using different parts of the body: finger, foot, hand, elbow, knee, etc. This a video of the dance, and some friends of mine playing it. There is even an animated version. Jean Petit qui danse Jean Petit qui danse (bis) De son doigt il danse (bis) De son doigt, doigt, doigt (bis) Ainsi danse Jean Petit. Jean Petit qui danse (bis) De son pied il danse (bis) De son doigt, doigt, doigt (bis) De son pied, pied, pied (bis) Ainsi danse Jean Petit. The song goes on with different parts of the body. Edited by Quique on 28 January 2013 at 11:13pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5212 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 112 of 204 29 January 2013 at 3:20am | IP Logged | ||||||||
The French rescue link does look awesome - thanks! And his website also has songs marked to indicate difficulty level. Yay for cooking (and eating)! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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