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How to bring up English from B2 to C1 ? | ||
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| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5000 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes  Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 33 of 66 14 September 2014 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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Patrickwilken brings some good points but I'd say the matter is even simpler. I'd say the point of extensive reading is to read huuuuuuge amounts of material.
Yes, it should be enjoyable and you should use varied genres etc. But the key is the amount. The hundreds of hours of practice, the many encounters of new words in context, the assimilation of grammar, phrases and so on. Some people think extensive reading is for the lazy people who get bored by "proper" studying of the text (=intensive reading). I've met teachers like that. And if you take one book and two learners, one to read it intensively and the other "extensively", the results will prove them right. But if you read fifty books, there is no reason why your progress shouldn't be the same or even larger than that of an intensive reader after five books. If you start with books you understand almost entirely, your learning curve won't be that steep. But I've had positive experience with reading books too difficult for me and they worked just fine, I just had to really like them in order to keep going. I agree with patrickwilken about the possible estimates (even though I think they may vary slightly between individual learners). So, as long as you are spending time with English, you are slowly moving forward. To see a visible progress, you'll need to be greedy and hoard hours and hours of reading in English. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Enrico Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 3736 days ago 162 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Italian, Spanish, French | Message 34 of 66 14 September 2014 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have already watched the whole season of one TV series since Iguanamon suggested to do that :-) Edited by Enrico on 14 September 2014 at 3:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Enrico Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 3736 days ago 162 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Italian, Spanish, French | Message 35 of 66 14 September 2014 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Has anybody know a good source of scripts (scenarios, screenplays) for TV series and movies?
I think it would be useful to read screenplay before watching. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5121 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 36 of 66 14 September 2014 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | ||
Many, many movies are based off of best-selling books. Why not just get the book? If you're looking for straight dialogue transcriptions, there are loads of subtitle sites on the internet that you could use, although the dialogues most likely won't match up 100%. R. == 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6588 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 37 of 66 14 September 2014 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | ||
I agree that it takes time, but it's more a matter of letting the language grow in your mind. There's simply a point where doing even more won't lead to better results, and where it would be wiser to work on a different language instead. (hm now it reminds me on the bow wave theory, although initially I disagreed with it completely) For example, I still haven't read 10k pages in English or Finnish. This makes me less excited about the original Super Challenge goals, as I really think that 10k pages in two years are overkill (in the same language). That's a nice goal for those who are learning just one language, but the truly important functions here are time and consistency. The goal (especially the new 5000) feels doable, but it's also pretty clear that you can't put it off, and you need to start NOW, even if you have to work with easy materials. That's what makes it powerful. Do a movies-only half challenge in a short time and it won't be quite as effective. Basically, that's a long-term effort. Rome wasn't built in a day :) And C1 only gets harder if you're attempting to reach it as fast as possible. Take your time and don't neglect your other languages. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Enrico Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 3736 days ago 162 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Italian, Spanish, French | Message 38 of 66 14 September 2014 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | ||
No, I would like to read the whole scenario, not only dialogues, here is the example for "The Matrix" movie http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/the_matrix.pdf Edited by Enrico on 14 September 2014 at 7:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5253 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 39 of 66 14 September 2014 at 10:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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You can get the subtitles in a text file by searching for "TV Series + Subtitles" and choosing the language, in your case- English. A good site I use is opensubtitles.org. While not technically a script, in other words there are no stage directions or clues as to who is speaking- only a time marker, it will serve the purpose quite well. Edited by iguanamon on 14 September 2014 at 11:57pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5121 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 40 of 66 14 September 2014 at 11:17pm | IP Logged | ||
Another good site is Subtitlesbank. I while back, I wrote up a blog post detailing how you can prepare subtitle files for use in Learning With Texts as well as just general reading (you can find the link for it on my profile - it's the latest post.) R. == Edited by hrhenry on 14 September 2014 at 11:28pm 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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