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| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5904 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes  Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 57 of 90 20 April 2009 at 12:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
I agree that it's not always evident if a crime was racist or not, but of course an attack is a nasty crime. No, you cannot punish a person for hatred (if the person doesn't something for example attack or commit other crime), but you can educate the person. I agree that the press has truly much responsibility and guilt: the words and how they describe a thing is very important and manipulate the thoughts of the people.
I don't agree at all. Prejudice is horrible and the victim is *not* culpable, but the perosn who has those prejudices is ignorant. It's some groups of people who the others think are the dangerous ones, and the prejudice is truly nasty and not just at all. It's not only crime (attacks, impolite..) but much more for example when you want to study, find a job, an apartment, have some friends. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5904 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 58 of 90 20 April 2009 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
You're wrong. I suggested some answers for Ashley: I said that I think Belgium would be ok for her, and I suggested that it's not necessary travel for learn a language.
I agree. I abolsutely hate it when the poeple try to convince that a things's all your head when it's not. Discrimination's lesser now that before, for exmaple 50 years ago, but it's exist in the reality for sure. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6684 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 59 of 90 20 April 2009 at 2:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Not sure if anyone has already mentioned it (I didn't want to bother reading through the entire thread when based on the last posts it seemed to turn a bit irrelevant), but Scandinavian countries should be just fine, if you ever want to learn a Scandinavian language. Swedes hardly dare celebrate the national day since it could be considered racist (I don't remember who said that but I thought it was funny) and being "non-Swedish" is often considered a good thing ;)
[Yes blatant generalisations and bla bla bla...] 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5712 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 60 of 90 20 April 2009 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I saw your reply Jar-Pitsa thank you, it was very helpful, as were others. I figured the other person was more replying to the fact that in light of the fact that there were so many pages in this thread the ratio of actual answers to my specific question versus comments and divergents on the topic was a bit out of balance. It is evening out quite well now to the sort of answers I am looking for. (Just as a disclaimer, I try to reiterate what this specific thread is about on nearly every page, and this is just me doing that again. This is becoming a rather long and large thread that ppl will find tedious to look through and I want it to remain a efficient at helping ppl as possible. Therefore, again, please try to pm all comments/replies not directly helpful to the topic. If you feel the need to inform of a truth or wisdom or tragic failing, I very much appreciate it but would prefer it if it could be showcased in its own thread. I know ppl on this thread have probably siad something you don't agree with no matter who you are. Please try to just let it go. This thread is now 8 pages long so ppl probably won't read/ be affected by whatever they said anyway :)---and I say that to both sides of the fences! Edited by Ashley_Victrola on 20 April 2009 at 3:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Jiwon Triglot Moderator Korea, South Joined 6442 days ago 1417 posts - 1500 votes Speaks: EnglishC2, Korean*, GermanC1 Studies: Hindi, Spanish Personal Language Map | Message 61 of 90 22 April 2009 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Dear Ashley
Where I live, in Sri Lanka, the local population is brown in colour. That being said, there IS a tendency for the people to prefer fairer people. However, from what I have observed in the past 7 years in Colombo, the capital, I can tell you that there isn't much discrimination or xenophilic sentiments directed towards dark people. Rather, as long as you can speak fluent Engilsh, they are likely to treat you like everyone else. On the other hand, Korea, my native country isn't as non-discriminatory as Sri Lanka. Since it is a highly mono-ethnic country, foreigners are likely to be stared at all the time, whether they are white, black or Asian. In addition, there exists some racism against non-Caucasian foreigners, especially South Asians and blacks. Although it's very unlikely that you will be assaulted by a passer-by, you could be subject to many discriminatory practices. There is an Ethiopian professor who was turned down by many universities because of her colour (one of the universities even told her this when she asked why they didn't hire her). Another African American wasn't allowed to come into a hospital after getting a severe cut in her leg, because the hospital staff thought she was engaged in prostitution. These are some of unpleasant facts and sides of Korea. Although it's my country and I would rather much not write such things about it, this is reality. I can't really help it. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jbbar Senior Member Belgium Joined 5806 days ago 192 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English | Message 62 of 90 22 April 2009 at 5:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
Sorry for being off-topic, just want to clarify my position: So you can't punish someone for hatred but you can for prejudice and ignorance? I'm sorry but I think that's inconsistent. You cannot punish anyone for either, unless we're talking about a person or organization inciting people to use violence against others. I could think of fundamentalist Saudi-funded mosques that call for jihad against the West and against Israel, for instance. Quite frankly if I see some guy with long hair dressed like a punk I am prejudiced toward such a person. I would also not hire a person dressed like that to work in my office if I were an employer (which I'm not, for the record). Prejudice in general is not always a sign of ignorance and it is not necessarily 'horrible'. I would have to agree though that not hiring a person based on color of skin is quite ridiculous if that person IS indeed qualified for the job, but I'm not sure it's the government's business to do anything about it either. When I hear of colored people who are not qualified at all to be employed abuse such laws to their own advantage and call everyone 'racist' when they're not making an effort to get out of their position themselves, then I must say I am skeptical about such intrusive laws to say the least. Regards, jbbar Edited by jbbar on 22 April 2009 at 6:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5712 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 63 of 90 22 April 2009 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Glad your position is clarified, jbbar. Please, no one reply to this statement on this thread. PM them or let it go. Everyone's been pretty good about that and I hope it continues.
To Jiwon: Thanks for telling me about those incidents in Korea. Although that may not happen all over Korea all the time, it's scary to know such a thing as not being admitted to a hospital is a possibility. Thanks for telling me about this, I never would have known otherwise. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6445 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 64 of 90 22 April 2009 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
That reminds me. When I was in Morocco, the trip guide was an American who'd been in the Peace Corps. She said one of her fellow volunteers was an African-American, and that she (the African-American) got hassled a lot by people who assumed she was a prostitute and wouldn't believe she was American. Apparently, a lot of the prostitutes in Morocco are from Ethiopia and so forth. Morocco can definitely be problematic in this regard regardless of your skin color, though; I have a number of anecdotes I won't relate to keep this thread from going off-topic. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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