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| Marc Frisch Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6671 days ago 1001 posts - 1169 votes  Speaks: German*, French, English, Spanish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Persian, Tamil | Message 65 of 90 22 April 2009 at 10:10pm | IP Logged | ||
Out of curiosity, what exactly do you mean? I'm not aware of any political measures that discriminate Muslims. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5712 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 66 of 90 22 April 2009 at 11:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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If I remember correctly in France there was some sort of law where muslim women could not wear their headscarves. Here's a link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_veil_controversy_in_Fra nce 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jbbar Senior Member Belgium Joined 5806 days ago 192 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English | Message 67 of 90 23 April 2009 at 1:53am | IP Logged | ||
In public buildings, that is. The reason cited was that State is secular and therefore no religious imagery should be allowed for people employed by the government because the State has to remain neutral. The law also covered the wearing of Jewish, Christian and other religious symbols. Although you can question this legislation, I don't see the relevance of this to the thread as a ban on religious symbols doesn't necessarily convey racism. After all, the display of the ten commandments in the United States has been banned at some places as well, dito for religious imagery in public schools. jbbar 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Jiwon Triglot Moderator Korea, South Joined 6442 days ago 1417 posts - 1500 votes Speaks: EnglishC2, Korean*, GermanC1 Studies: Hindi, Spanish Personal Language Map | Message 68 of 90 23 April 2009 at 5:30pm | IP Logged | ||
Yeah. Even I was kind of horrified when I found out about that. That being said, I NEED to make it clear that this is extremely rare. Probably the people in that hospital were disgusting pr***s. I must also comment that since these black ladies have televised their stories more Koreans are becoming less "anti-non-whites". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6755 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 69 of 90 23 April 2009 at 5:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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[QUOTE=Jiwon] there exists some racism against non-Caucasian foreigners QUOTE]
Just out of curiosity, do you know why and could you explain why caucasian foreigners are seen as an "acceptable race" in Korean? I get the feeling that also in Japan white people are seen by most of the rascists in Japan as one of the more "acceptable" races of foreigners. A lot of the Japanese rascists display hatred towards Chinese, Koreans, South East Asians, Iranians, Africans, but less so against cacausians. I have always wanted to ask other peoples opinion why this is so in some of the East Asian countries. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| karn09 Newbie United States Joined 5688 days ago 1 posts - 2 votes Studies: Spanish | Message 70 of 90 05 May 2009 at 10:26am | IP Logged | ||
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As a FP for me, and a RE: to the OP, I've also found it difficult learning another language. In particular Spanish; as I am a hispanic other Spanish speakers have been very judgemental when it comes to trying to learn the language. There is the expectation that I should already know it, and an unwillingness to entertain error. As such I've been unable to find much support amongst family or friends.
Additionally, attempts to practice with friends on other languages are usually met with, 'You need to learn your native language first!' I just sorta felt like venting a little bit. Tired of getting shit for trying to learn Spanish/other langs. I've been surrounded by native speakers of hindi/arabic/chinese for years, and am faced with this barrier of assumptions. That is all, thanks for reading my post. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6131 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 71 of 90 05 May 2009 at 7:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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karn09:"In particular Spanish; as I am a hispanic other Spanish speakers have been very judgemental when it comes to trying to learn the language.There is the expectation that I should already know it, and an unwillingness to entertain error. As such I've been unable to find much support amongst family or friends."
Yeah, trying to learn heritage languages can be swimming upstream a bit. I see it this way. There's the generation that comes to the USA and struggles to learn English. They may know how hard learning a language is, though sometimes they just never get it. My father's parents never got beyond "Hi, Hi, Hi, eat this!". They give birth to the bilingual generation who learn the heritage language from their parents and also learn English from school and media. This group, my parents, understand their parents at a native level, but speak English back to them. They may not be literate in their heritage language, which may make them uncomfortable in the country of origin. These people inevitably give birth to people like me, the next generation who maybe heard some of the language but who really have absolutely zero comprehension or native sense of the thing. Native language at normal speed is a blur of sounds, and doesn't process. I'm one more mono-Lingual American. I'll tell you this much. If you don't know Spanish at the native level it's your family's fault and not yours. If you're like me, you're not going to just pick this up. We have to do it the hard way, studying and word lists and classes and textbooks and all this stuff. I believe you're working hard on this, you might let them know this, though I'm not sure if they're going to understand that. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| zenmonkey Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6558 days ago 803 posts - 1119 votes 1 sounds Speaks: EnglishC2*, Spanish*, French, German Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew | Message 72 of 90 05 May 2009 at 8:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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I like the term heritage languages - had not noticed it before. It's a struggle.
We are a family of heritage languages going back several generations. xxx (Slovenian/Rumanian?) migrated to Poland next gen -> spoke native Polish, Yiddish migrated to Mexico next gen -> spoke native Spanish migrated to USA next gen (mine)-> speak native Spanish/English migrated to France, then Germany next gen ->speak native French/German with some Spanish/English and will migrate to? There is also an undercurrent of shame that comes from heritage languages as if to say,"look at you, you don't speak the culture" or more often "Look at us, we didn't share the culture". Not easy. But look up third culture children. (In numbers, strength!) Edited by zenmonkey on 05 May 2009 at 8:42pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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