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’wh’ sound in American English
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WFU03
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Message 105 of 110

02 June 2009 at 7:46pm | IP Logged

This thread could only make me think of one thing:

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Rout
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Message 106 of 110

02 June 2009 at 8:08pm | IP Logged

rapp wrote:

Rout wrote:

rapp wrote:

Let's try this again, sprout. You've avoided this question on several occasions.

You yourself said that we have established a "mostly uniform" standard of speech, "except in a phonetic sense". That must mean that there is acceptable variation in the pronunciation of at least some words. Why do you believe that 'wut' is not such a variation?

Nope, there's no acceptable variation for the 'kn' phoneme which you yourself have established. There isn't one for this either. You're making this boring.

And still you don't answer the question.

Why is the change from pronounced to unpronounced 'k' in 'kn' correct, but the opposite change for the 'h' in 'wh' not?

Good lord.. the answers are there, find them.

Its a simple question. Man up and answer it.

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Rout
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Message 107 of 110

02 June 2009 at 8:10pm | IP Logged

Jar-ptitsa wrote:

rout wrote:

Jar-ptitsa, this is not so much an argument about measuring one's intelligence as it is about regarding one's comprehension of facts, rules, and phenomena of significs. Normally, conviviality and appreciativeness would be expected tout de suite of my endeavor to persevere with such an irksome task but instead I am greeted by antagonists who want to argue for argument's sake.

But you wrote all the time that it's about good education, having this special sophisticated knowledge, not dumb or education dilemma etc. You become always more snob. How old are you?

My comprehension of facts and rules is very well: the "wh" is mostly unaspirated, but in some dialects it's aspirated. therefore both are correct. Rout, your preference is ok, but for *you* not for all the English-speakers or all the world. You better shut up about this aspirated "wh" now.

Phenomena of significs, what's it? Phenomena of aspiration-snobness = Rout.

Jar-ptitsa, according to my myspace I'm 23. ;) I had to learn to say it correctly too.
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Rout
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Message 108 of 110

02 June 2009 at 8:12pm | IP Logged

WFU03 wrote:

This thread could only make me think of one thing:

I actually thought of quoting that myself since everyone seemed to be going on tangents. Of course I thought I'd be ridiculed for that. I ARE SERIOUS.
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mick33
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Message 109 of 110

04 June 2009 at 1:28am | IP Logged

Does anyone else think it's time for this thread to be locked? The discussion has strayed quite far from the question that was originally asked.

Edited by mick33 on 04 June 2009 at 1:32am
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Rout
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04 June 2009 at 1:32am | IP Logged

mick33 wrote:

Does anyone else think it's time for this thread to be locked? The discussion has strayed quite far from the question that was originally asked.

I do.

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