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| rapp Senior Member United States Joined 5731 days ago 129 posts - 204 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 41 of 110 28 May 2009 at 10:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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<<Modern English is more the convergence of multiple languages to form a new language more than 'changes' that happened long ago.>>
Tomato, tamahto. Either there's a connection between us and Shakespeare, Chaucer, etc or there's not. If so, my argument stands. If not, you should protest studying such works in classes labeled "English Literature". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rapp Senior Member United States Joined 5731 days ago 129 posts - 204 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 42 of 110 28 May 2009 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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<<English dictionaries did not exist during the lives of Chaucer and Shakespeare. I believe you'll find that during their times there was no uniform spelling of any words, thus, no incorrect spellings. Sometimes the same word was spelled differently in the same sentence.>>
<<The CORRECT pronunciation of 'wh' is with aspirition. What = "HWUT" - READ AN OLDER DICTIONARY. This is why I have no respect for Webster's and the like.>> Is your preferred dictionary the very first one ever published for the English language? If not, why is your preferred one correct, and more recent Websters are not? And wouldn't you then be agreeing with me that the definition of correct English changes over time, and that you've chosen an arbitrary point in time as your reference point for "correct", one carefully selected to confirm your personal preferences? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rapp Senior Member United States Joined 5731 days ago 129 posts - 204 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 43 of 110 28 May 2009 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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<<The CORRECT pronunciation of 'wh' is with aspirition. What = "HWUT" - READ AN OLDER DICTIONARY.>>
<<We have now developed a mostly uniform and consistent, although not in a phonetic sense, standard of spelling and speech...>> <<That's my personal belief, and as I've said before, I have made a logical and definitive stance.>> FAIL. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rout Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5712 days ago 326 posts - 417 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish Studies: Hindi | Message 44 of 110 28 May 2009 at 11:07pm | IP Logged | ||
Who says Chaucer and Shakespeare are the standard of the English language? Literary language and spoken language are to completely different things and irrelevant to anything I'm talking about, again you reference an argumentum ad hominem so I have no idea what you're talking about. Once more, I speak modern English so a better comparison might be with me and modern authors but that would still have little, if anything, to do with what we're discussing. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rout Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5712 days ago 326 posts - 417 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish Studies: Hindi | Message 45 of 110 28 May 2009 at 11:08pm | IP Logged | ||
What's wrong with that? My preferences are logical ones. One must choose a standard of speaking and I believe mine is most logical. Your's has no logic. The English language has done most of its evolution via spelling reforms, media, etc. and we have now reached a mostly uniform way of speaking and writing, so why complicate it Webster? Edited by Rout on 28 May 2009 at 11:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rapp Senior Member United States Joined 5731 days ago 129 posts - 204 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 46 of 110 28 May 2009 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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<<Who says Chaucer and Shakespeare are the standard of the English language?>>
*Blink* 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rapp Senior Member United States Joined 5731 days ago 129 posts - 204 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 47 of 110 28 May 2009 at 11:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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<<Once more, I speak modern English...>>
And where did that language come from? Did it leap fully formed from Zeus' forehead, or did it somehow descend from earlier, different forms of English? If it evolved, then what makes continued evolution past your preferred, but arbitrary, point in time become incorrect? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Rout Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5712 days ago 326 posts - 417 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish Studies: Hindi | Message 48 of 110 28 May 2009 at 11:27pm | IP Logged | ||
Because 'what' is spelled phonetically. I agree with you if we decide to change the spelling to 'wut.' Edited by Rout on 28 May 2009 at 11:28pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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