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| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5921 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 41 of 228 20 April 2010 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Did I really go almost two weeks without posting anything in this log?!?! I think my next mini-project is going to be to learn how to make excuses and apologies, since the only other language I can confidently say those types of words and phrases in is Spanish.
My last few posts had Swedish because, like I wrote, I was concentrating mostly on Swedish and this past week I also focused more on Finnish as well and this trend is likely to continue for a while; as these two languages are becoming more and more intriguing to me. I'm learning more vocabulary and grammar though I'm not ready to give details yet, but maybe I will do so later this week. Vi ses senare Näkemiin Mick Edited by mick33 on 24 April 2010 at 12:18pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5921 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 42 of 228 24 April 2010 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Jag är sömnlös nu, så jag är inte trött. Jag undrar om jag studerar bettre på nattvak. Jag lyssnar på Sveriges Radio igen, och jag måste då säga att lyssnar på radio har redan gett resultat. Jag måste erkänna att mycket ord är fortfarande omöjlig att fatta men jag bryr mig inte om det. Jag tycker svenskt talspråk låtar naturlig nu, i stället för osammanhängande rotvälska. Jag vet jag är skrida långsamt framåt men jag tycker jag är på rätt spår.
I am an insomniac now, so I'm not tired. I wonder if I study better late at night. I'm listening to Sveriges Radio again and listening to the radio is already paying off. I have to admit that most of what I hear is still incomprehensible, but I don't care about that. I think spoken Swedish is starting to sound natural now, instead of being completely incoherent gibberish. I know I'm making slow progress but I think I'm on the right track. Sov gott! Vi ses imorgon Mick Edited by mick33 on 24 April 2010 at 9:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6700 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 43 of 228 24 April 2010 at 1:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Du vet säkert vad rotvälska betyder? runeberg.org säger detta.
från ty. rotivelsch (redan o. 1250: rot-walsch), till tjuvspråkets rot, tiggare, o.welsch, utländsk (se v al s k, valnöt o. valack). - I sv. i regel: förvirrat, obegripligt språk i allmänhet (såsom iy. kauderwelsch); i da. o. ty. däremot: tjuvspråk. - I samma betyd, i dial. även slabbertyska, ä. nsv. även slappertuska t. ex. Runius, till slabbra o. sv. dial. slappra, sladdra. På dansk er forklaringen denne (fra Den Store Danske Ordbog): rotvælsk, (af romani rot 'tigger, bedragerisk, falsk' og ty. welsch 'vælsk, fremmed, udenlandsk', egl. 'romansk'), skøjersprog, kæltringelatin, prævelikvantsprog, hemmeligt sprog brugt af de danske natmænd. Ordforrådet stammer til dels fra det tilsvarende tyske natmandssprog rotwelsch, fx knop 'brændevin', trappert 'hest' og de latinskprægede akve 'vand', patrum 'far' og fakke 'gøre', men rummer også ord dannet ud fra dansk, fx bræggert 'får' og mjavert 'kat'. Fra romani er hentet ord som schor 'tyv' og gab 'landsby' og fra jiddisch fx gannef 'tyv' og malochen 'arbejde'. En 'natmand' er en renovationsarbejder fra tiden før WC'er --- For our resident Anglophones: 'rotvälsk' is the name for an old 'private language' spoken by people at the bottom of the society: criminals, renovation workers from the time before modern toilets, those that dealt with dead animals etc. It had words from several sources, including the Nordic languages, German, Latin and the Gipsy language. The element '-välsk' is an old German word for 'foreign', and in this context it ironically refers to the fact that the language originally came to the Nordic countries with immigrants from the German area. In modern Swedish it now mostly has the meaning 'confused gibberish', whereas it still has its very negative social connotations in Danish. Instead we say 'volapyk' (from the name of the conlang Volapük). Edited by Iversen on 24 April 2010 at 1:41pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5921 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 44 of 228 24 April 2010 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5921 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 45 of 228 30 April 2010 at 1:30am | IP Logged | |||||
Regnet har hålla upp nu Hej då Mick 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5921 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 46 of 228 01 May 2010 at 8:03am | IP Logged | |||||
So, even though I've spent a lot of time on Swedish I'm actually going to write about Finnish. In Finnish there is not just one infinitive form of a verb, but five. The 1st infinitive is the unconjugated form found in dictionaries; some examples would be "sanoa" - to say, "käydä" - to visit, "valita" - to choose), "harjoitella" - to practise, "häiritä" - to disturb. Next comes the 2nd infinitive, which is sort of like the English form "while -ing", and this form can take either the inessiivi (ssa/ssä) or istruktiivi (usually "in") case endings. The second infinitive is made by changing the final vowel (which is always "a/ä) from the first infinitve into an "e", then add the case ending. If the second to last vowel in the first infinitive is an "e", as in "lukea" - to read, it becomes an "i" . One example sentence would be "Marko nukahti lukiessaan kirjaa." or Mark fell asleep while reading book. The third infinitive, which I think may be more commonly used than the 2nd, is often used when there are two verbs next to each other in a statement, it is formed by adding ma/mä to the strong form of a verb (that is to say the one that undergoes consonant gradation) and then a case ending if needed. An example from TY Finnish is "Mennään juomaan kahvia" or "Let's go drink coffee". Another example I thought of is "Olen koulussa opiskelemassa." or "I am at school studying." This took a long time to type because I kept getting distracted by phone calls, reading other things and reviewing notes so I'll continue this tomorrow. Hei sitten Hyvää yötä Mick Edited by mick33 on 23 September 2012 at 2:17am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5921 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 47 of 228 02 May 2010 at 5:12am | IP Logged | |||||
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I made a mistake yesterday, while writing about Finnish grammar for some reason I listened to Swedish music. What was I thinking? I know better than to make mistakes like that. Today, I got it right and am listening to Finnish music.
I was going to write about the 4th infinitive today but I don't understand how it works yet so I cannot explain it now, but I might be able to explain it next week. I've been spending a little more time on Spanish and Afrikaans the last few days and may even be eventually getting back to sometimes following the schedule I set for myself in the first post Nähdään taas Mick Edited by mick33 on 07 May 2010 at 10:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5921 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 48 of 228 06 May 2010 at 11:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Ek het goeie nuus, vanmiddag het ek geen huiswerk(?) te doen nie dus het ek meer tyd vir tale. Ek was gisteraand die klink van afrikaans gemis dus ek luister nou te afrikaans musiek. Ek het my eerste boodskap in hierdie journaal herlees, want ek het 'n paar dinge vergeet. Sou ek na my plan veel veranderinge maak? Nee, ek is te lui om dit te doen. Ek dink dat ek baie veel fins grammatika het studeer, en ek praat net 'n bietjie fins. Dis nie goed nie, daarom moet ek meer woorde en frases leer en ek sal ook na aanlyn radio luister. Julle kon vra, Hoekom skryf ek nog oor spaans nog in spaans nie? Ek het onlangs geen spaans studeer, nou vind ek sweeds en fins meer interessant maar ek sal binnekort spaans weer leer.
I felt awkward typing in Afrikaans, more awkward than I'd like to admit, but I did try to use slightly more complex sentences. I was uncertain about the word "huiswerk"; I meant homework for my classes in school, not chores at home. I think "huiswerk" could be interpreted either way. I've reread my first post in this log again, and thought about editing my plans, but I'm too lazy. I do think (I know I've repeated this many times) I have spent far too much time on Finnish grammar, that's why I speak only a little Finnish. No more Finnish grammar for me, I'll just learn words and phrases. Why don't I write anything in, or about Spanish any more? I have not studied Spanish recently, but I will get back to it soon. Tot later Mick Edited by mick33 on 06 May 2010 at 11:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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