napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5020 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 153 of 197 04 March 2014 at 9:58am | IP Logged |
Gemuse wrote:
linguaholic_ch wrote:
Students who have studied in private schools have English as
their first language and
they don't have any problems... But there are Government schools still that do not teach English that well,
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Not necessarily. Students can get a reasonable grasp of English in public, non-English
medium schools.
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I know tons and tons of people
who went to public school. had English as L2/L3 and who had no language problems in
University. Their speaking ability might not have been that good when entering
University, but usually they had been reading English literature (outside of school)
since adolescence, and thus their reading and understanding was C2. What matters is the
prevalence of English outside of school.
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We are talking about Indians who went to Indian schools, right?
Gemuse wrote:
If kids ... have science
textbooks in English, they will not have language problems after High School.
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I do not know a single non-English medium school in India that has English textbooks for maths and science. The teachers might mention the English equivalents, but it's upto them.
These students have to learn the English technical terms in their first year of college. That is why a friend told me he needed a teacher to help him make sense the textbook. That is why he is forced to memorise pages of definitions.
It does get better. After a year or two, most get the hang of reading and writing in English.
What about speaking then?
Of all the people I know who have not had an English medium education, I know only one woman who speaks it well. But, she's the exception that proves the rule.
Edited by napoleon on 04 March 2014 at 1:17pm
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linguaholic_ch Triglot Groupie IndiaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5052 days ago 69 posts - 96 votes Speaks: English, Hindi, Bengali Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, French
| Message 154 of 197 04 March 2014 at 10:31am | IP Logged |
That is what has happened with my neighbour. She has studied in a Bengali missionary
school and then suffered problems in the Engineering College. She could'nt decipher the
terms in my 8th Grade Physics book at first, but now she learnt it all. It is really
difficult for them.
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Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4086 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German
| Message 155 of 197 04 March 2014 at 12:26pm | IP Logged |
napoleon wrote:
I do not know a single non-English medium Indian school that has English textbooks for
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How do you define an English medium school?
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linguaholic_ch Triglot Groupie IndiaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5052 days ago 69 posts - 96 votes Speaks: English, Hindi, Bengali Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, French
| Message 156 of 197 04 March 2014 at 12:44pm | IP Logged |
An English medium school is one where all the instructions on every subject is given in
English. All the subjects are taught in English except the language classes. It is their
first language, and they have to study it extensively than other languages.
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napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5020 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 157 of 197 04 March 2014 at 1:12pm | IP Logged |
Gemuse wrote:
napoleon wrote:
I do not know a single non-English medium Indian school that has English textbooks for
maths and science. |
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How do you define an English medium school? |
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linguaholic_ch has already answered this and I do not disagree with him. But I'm going to take this question because it was adressed to me.
English medium schools in India derive their name from the fact that they use English as the "medium" of instruction. English medium schools teach exclusively in English, other than the classes that teach the native language. :-)
They have English textbooks. Even the library is stocked with English novels, for the most part.
Edited by napoleon on 04 March 2014 at 1:18pm
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Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4086 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German
| Message 158 of 197 04 March 2014 at 1:30pm | IP Logged |
In that case, lots of schools are non-English medium, but use English books for
Sciences.
In my (public) school, even though science texts were in English, the Sciences teachers
spoke in Hindi (for the most part). The students spoke in Hindi (with technical terms
in English). Social science texts were in Hindi. Sanskrit texts were in Hindi. The only
class that was in English medium was the English language class. We had middle class
kids, we had poor kids. AFAIK the situation was the same for my cousins and my parents.
The English level was far far far below that of Hindi. And none of us had trouble when
we got to English medium Universities.
Edited by Gemuse on 04 March 2014 at 1:35pm
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napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5020 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 159 of 197 04 March 2014 at 1:35pm | IP Logged |
@Gemeuse:
Look, I do not disagree with you for the most part.
Students who are exposured to the English media tend to learn English irresepective of what they learn at school.
But most public schools have English syllabi that focusses more on grammar and translation rather than speaking. This approach kills whatever interest the student might have had otherwise. After he returns home, the last thing he wants to do is read some Harry Potter. :-)
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napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5020 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 160 of 197 04 March 2014 at 1:42pm | IP Logged |
Gemuse wrote:
In that case, lots of schools are non-English medium, but use English books for
Sciences.
In my (public) school, even though science texts were in English, the Sciences teachers
spoke in Hindi (for the most part). The students spoke in Hindi (with technical terms
in English). Social science texts were in Hindi. Sanskrit texts were in Hindi. The only
class that was in English medium was the English language class. We had middle class
kids, we had poor kids. AFAIK the situation was the same for my cousins and my parents.
The English level was far far far below that of Hindi. And none of us had trouble when
we got to English medium Universities. |
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Where did you go to school?
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