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| kidshomestunner Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6413 days ago 239 posts - 285 votes  Speaks: Japanese | Message 33 of 89 11 July 2010 at 8:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Multiple approaches would help to learn Russian letters: For example you could learn п is pronounced p by associating it with pi which it of course looks suspiciously like Learn m,t,k by saying they are basically read like English letters д could be remembered as "D" as it looks like a capital "D" and so on Attacking a fort from many different angles is better than just one... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Ocius Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5598 days ago 48 posts - 77 votes Speaks: English*, German, Ancient Greek Studies: French, Latin, Sanskrit | Message 34 of 89 11 July 2010 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Everyone here knows there are many ways to learn a language (or simply an alphabet). But you're posting in a thread titled "Questions about the L-R method". Why are you determined to bring up something completely irrelevant to the use of L-R here? Edited by Ocius on 11 July 2010 at 11:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ALS Senior Member United States Joined 5812 days ago 104 posts - 131 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian, Finnish, Russian | Message 35 of 89 12 July 2010 at 12:10am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I learned Russian Cyrillic by rote memorization and flash cards, but apparently I did it wrong and have to spend hours of my time drilling it in other ways or I didn't actually learn it and my ability to read Russian is fake. Not sure what you're desperately trying to do here other than derail the thread. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| kidshomestunner Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6413 days ago 239 posts - 285 votes Speaks: Japanese | Message 36 of 89 12 July 2010 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I am just saying that in my experience too many people, including me get bogged down in one method and can't think outside of the box. I am just saying that in my experience that this tends to be too common an occurence.
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5774 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 37 of 89 12 July 2010 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The Spanish, French, Swedish, German, Polish, Icelandic alphabet also are different from the English one, yet they are all called Latin alphabet. It might have something to do with history, as the Latin alphabet was used to first write Church Latin in most of western and northern Europe, whereas Cyrillic was used to write Old Church Slavonic in the eastern areas, and either alphabet was adopted by secular writers to write their own language (to simplify the process). Of course it would be technically correct to say 'the Cyrillic alphabet as used in Russia' but don't you agree that most people could infer that from the usage of Russian and Cyrillic alphabet in the same sentence? :) I know that was keeping the off topic alive, but it bothered me. I personally do not learn well with a mnemonic based approach like you suggested for learning a foreign alphabet. It might very well be that I implement mnemonics, but not consciously - I tried it and it takes more effort than simple rote memorization (which I also do not like very much.) What for me is important is not that I can link бог to god, but that бог becomes god, just, you know, when it is surrounded by other Russian words. My own experience tells me that listening/reading L2-L2 is the best I can do to link sounds I understand and their visual representation until they become second nature. I'm not sure yet how well L2-L1 works for me to do the same for sounds and their meaning and grammatical function. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7023 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 38 of 89 12 July 2010 at 10:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Now that the discussion on the different alphabets in use in numerous european countries appears to be over, lets return to the topic at hand and refrain from any more off-topic comments. If anyone wishes to continue the "alphabet discussion", please feel free to open a new thread. Any further derailments of this thread will be deleted. Thanks.
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| GREGORG4000 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5531 days ago 307 posts - 479 votes Speaks: English*, Finnish Studies: Japanese, Korean, Amharic, French | Message 39 of 89 13 July 2010 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hmm, I've L2-R1ed about 30 hours of Finnish so far, and now I can understand 30% to 100% of sentences, depending on the subject and style of the writing. Is it time for me to switch to L2-R2 now? Edited by GREGORG4000 on 13 July 2010 at 4:50pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6447 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 40 of 89 13 July 2010 at 7:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
No, assuming that your goal is to learn efficiently. I was going to point you to the updated version of the L-R summary thread, but I realized it hadn't been posted yet, and didn't actually contain the quote I was thinking of. Nonetheless, it as something about being at that stage, throwing away your English/L1 text, and being a little nonplussed when you couldn't quite believe that the monk was also a lesbian police inspector... L1 is still quite useful at your current level. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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