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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5774 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 81 of 89 25 November 2012 at 6:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
In the parts I read up to one third of the text was simply cut or altered quite massively. The German translation at least only has cuts in very long passages about the advantages of one brand of electronic gadget over another.
Using Japanese as an example: it helps, you just have to spend a lot of time on TL text + audio. When I look at new texts afterwards it is as if somebody read them to me - the parts I can decipher, at least. Edited by Bao on 25 November 2012 at 6:55pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6605 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 82 of 89 26 November 2012 at 12:45am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6917 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 83 of 89 26 November 2012 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Agreed. 50 hours will take me to a certain level in one language (say, Mandarin), and most likely a higher level in another language (say, Spanish). But studying the more "difficult" language without any kind of L-R might not take me anywhere.
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| osoymar Tetraglot Pro Member United States Joined 4744 days ago 190 posts - 344 votes Speaks: English*, German, Portuguese, Japanese Studies: Spanish, French Personal Language Map | Message 84 of 89 26 November 2012 at 8:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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That's good to know about the Millenium trilogy. I'm just wrapping up Verdammnis (the 2nd
book), and the differences are pretty glaring in parts- I wasn't sure which translation to blame it on. That being said, I still find it very useful. The occasional gaps help me stay on my toes and I'm rarely at a complete loss as to what's being said. And I'm more interested in schlock like this than trying to L-R serious literature. On the other hand, I'm refreshing my German from a B1-B2-maaaaaybe C1 level, so it might not be a suitable choice for a new language. Maybe I'll pick up the French version and try using the German as my L1! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6447 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 85 of 89 27 November 2012 at 4:53am | IP Logged | ||||||||
The English translation of the Millennium trilogy takes a lot of liberties. Shlock is fine if it's what you like, but translation quality is often poorer. I don't find using non-native L1s particularly effective for L-R, though it can be fun. Enjoy. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| sans-serif Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4567 days ago 298 posts - 470 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, German, Swedish Studies: Danish | Message 86 of 89 27 November 2012 at 1:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I've only ever done "traditional" L-R with English as L1, and it hasn't felt particularly ineffective. After reading this, I'm tempted to try Finnish just in case it turned out to yield vastly superior results. :-) On a related note, I've recently been experimenting with using L-R for upkeep with stronger languages. Nothing fancy, but I've noticed that it's possible to listen to audio books, in languages one knows well, at roughly double speed, without sacrificing much in the way of comprehension. The faster speed makes following along with the text quite a bit more difficult, so also the other language needs to be at reasonably high level to benefit from the process. Or so it seems to me, anyway. Has anyone tried something similar? I feel like it's a fun and effective way to get simultaneous exposure to two languages, and thus far I haven't run into any major problems. For anyone interested in trying it out, the easiest way is to use materials available on Librivox and Project Gutenberg. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5774 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 87 of 89 27 November 2012 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'd call it the English summary of the Millenium trilogy. >>; Translation quality depends much on the translator, though. There are many 'translations' of so-called classics that are pretty much new interpretations of the original text. Some propular literature is done by translators who when they are rushed, tend to stay very close to the original text. I try to find L2 texts with a rather literal translation into my L1. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6605 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 88 of 89 27 November 2012 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The "L1" choice also depends on the structure of the language. Finnish and Russian are good base languages for the Romance ones, and vice versa is perhaps even more true (I've done Italian-Polish for example). For German, English is the best base language. Oh my... gotta try English-Danish too.
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