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| Roger Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6596 days ago 159 posts - 161 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Indonesian | Message 49 of 65 10 January 2007 at 7:36am | IP Logged | |||||
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Id better watch out when I get to italy then :)
Thanks for the warning. lol Edited by Roger on 10 January 2007 at 7:36am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7019 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 50 of 65 10 January 2007 at 10:22am | IP Logged | |||||
Why, because it was true? ;-) (joke!) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mattewos24R16 Pentaglot Newbie Italy Joined 6558 days ago 28 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Italian*, Modern Hebrew, EnglishC2, German, Arabic (classical) | Message 51 of 65 10 January 2007 at 11:11am | IP Logged | |||||
Dear Iversen, it's a long story but I’ll try to explain what I think about… I suppose the reason why can be ascribed to the development of Italian society in the second part of the XX century. In the 50s and the 60s, due to hard economic circumstances, a lot of people from the South moved to the North (Lombardia and Piemonte particularly, where the big Industry mainly was). Right now really a few of those who any of you from abroad would meet in Milano and in its big hinterland could claim to be a "Milanese-speaking-lineal-descendant" of the milanesi of the 50s. They're mainly children of those who moved after the war. The milanesi are few indeed. Obvioulsy those immigrants and their children didn't speak il milanese at home as daily language but some other, each family its own. And, by the way, the people from a particular region used to be together as much as possibile, and of course in those occasions they spoke their own native language (pugliese, calabrese, sardo, siciliano etc) and their children learned it and used it at home (even though not always), but then "outside in the cold" they had to face a different reality with a different language, that anyway was not Milanese anymore. The fact that so many people from so many different places all around Italy found themselves together by chance forced them to communicate not through a local/municipal dialect (a language that sometimes was expression of just one little town) but a more, how can I say, neutral idiom that exactly in those years began to impose itself mainly through television (yes, the so called “mamma Rai”). I'd dare to say that right now the local dialects of Milano and Torino are dying. Yes, there is a distinctive accent (even though I would rather call it an inflexion) that let you distinguish somebody from the North in general and Milan in particular, but there's no real dialect in the daily life of the people, and that differs from what happens every day in Rome, Naples and in general in the South. There would be much more to be written, I just tried to help. p.s.: incidentally I would like to say that a so called genuine "milanese" would label himself as "meneghino", trying to distinguish himself from the crowd of "pseudomilanesi" who surround him every day in the traffic. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Vlad Trilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member Czechoslovakia foreverastudent.com Joined 6588 days ago 443 posts - 576 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, Hungarian*, Mandarin, EnglishC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Serbian, French Studies: Persian, Taiwanese, Romanian, Portuguese | Message 52 of 65 10 January 2007 at 12:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
It's a complex subject and I don't want any Italians to get offended..I absolutely loved every single day I lived in Italy and I love Italy and Italians so please don't get me wrong.. but yes..dealing with these things, that were shown in the clip every day can get frustrating for a central european kid:-) in about 2-3 months I got used to it all anyway. and..especially the part about parking, the one where the car parked in the exact opposite way as it was supposed to..that got me:-) but please again.. no offence. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6964 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 53 of 65 11 January 2007 at 6:04am | IP Logged | |||||
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Dear Easyboy in the first post of this thread you said
"Sicilian is a particular case:someone think it is a language (and in its proper form is absolutely NOT intelligible with Italian)" So.... How it is possible the success of the books of Andrea Camilleri ALL OVER ITALY (without any dictionary) that writes in the typical Italo-sicilian colloquial slang ??and the TV fiction in the same language in the RAI national TV ?? Then I want say something about the regional italian. I was born in Torino , my father was sicilian and my mother is venetian. An example of the melting pot that Matthewos describes above . I can understand all the 3 dialects and it is not true that Piedmontese is dead , it is widely spoken in the countryside also by young people. Of course in Torino young people speaks italian with piedmontese accent using words that come from various parts of Italy. I came to live in Bologna 5 years ago and I discovered that Bolognesi speak in their own way , using particular words and sentences that I did'n't know .....So it took me sometimes to update my mental dictionary. They say "dammi il tiro"(give me the pull) instead of "apri la porta" (open the door) or "rusco" instead of "immondizia"(rubbish) or "bazza" instead of "Affare" (good deal, opportunity) and the funny think is that they believe that this is standard Italian!! you can find even dictionary on the web of "slang bolognese"! And not only young people but everybody speaks like that So again I don't agree with Easyboy opinion even when he has changed the subject. Southern Italian is more understandable than Northern italian . 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6707 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 54 of 65 11 January 2007 at 9:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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The influence of the migration patterns described by mattewos24R16 make sense, - those Southerners who moved to Northern Italy would have had big problems with real 'Meneghino' (and the other dialects up North), and on the other hand they would have lost contact with their own native dialects. I have travelled in many parts of Italy, but mostly in the cities, and there I heard more regionalisms in say Napoli or Palermo than in Milano.
Edited by Iversen on 11 January 2007 at 9:38am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mattewos24R16 Pentaglot Newbie Italy Joined 6558 days ago 28 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Italian*, Modern Hebrew, EnglishC2, German, Arabic (classical) | Message 55 of 65 11 January 2007 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Vlad,
I am Italian and proud of it! I think you can't figure out how much fun I had watching that kind of Europe vs Italia. It's so funny! And realistic indeed. Italy, more often than not, is exactly this way. Exasperating. My favourite is the part of the airplane landing! I thought: "...mmm...and now... what's gonna happen... a crash?!?!". And then, when the clap began, I fell about laughing! I have never understood why there so much clapping all around here in Italy. A couple of months ago I saw on TV people claping their hands while attending a funeral! But, in the end, it seems to me that Italy is considered as the seasoning that makes Europe (the pizza) really tasty! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7019 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 56 of 65 11 January 2007 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
Excellent way of putting it! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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