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| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6772 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 57 of 65 11 January 2007 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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Here's an Italian dialect question: what's the Italian spoken in Croatia like?
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| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6964 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 58 of 65 12 January 2007 at 4:13am | IP Logged | ||
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In Croatia the italian linguistic minority speaks "dialetto istriano" that belongs to the same family of Trieste and Venice dialects = veneto.
You can find on the web pages in istriano. And when they speak in Standard italian they have the typical venetian accent. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| easyboy82 Pentaglot Groupie Italy Joined 6834 days ago 72 posts - 75 votes Speaks: Italian*, French, English, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek | Message 59 of 65 14 January 2007 at 10:41am | IP Logged | ||
well Vilas, I haven't been on this forum for many months, and now that I returned I answered you. You continue to be very rude and sincerely you can say what you want, I don't care. I've always been polite towards you and I find very unpleasant to altercate with a compatriot or make fun of him, even if he was wrong. You continue to pretend you don't understand what I'm saying while it's clear you are understanding very well what I mean . Read my post again, than if you want to continue to say that REGIONAL variant of Italian , not dialect (but you know that in Italy people call dialect both theses things : here it is where the misunderstanding came from ), spoken in the north are closer to standard educated Italian than southern ones, well you can do it. My opinion stays the same too.. Bye PS: when Southern actors from Naples or Sicily speak their dialects they don't speak them in their proper form but use a language which is between the standard language and the proper dialect. When there are special reportages on TV about people in Naples (in special programs such as those on Rai3 late at night ) and some of these people spoke in proper dialect there were subtitles in the more obscure passages of the interviews. This IS NOT polemic! I just wanted to underline that when you say southern actors can use their dialect and they are understood, you actually mean that they use a language which is a bit more dialectal than a regional variant of Italian, but it is not the proper dialect , which can be really hard to understand for people from other regions. :) Edited by easyboy82 on 14 January 2007 at 11:02am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| easyboy82 Pentaglot Groupie Italy Joined 6834 days ago 72 posts - 75 votes Speaks: Italian*, French, English, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek | Message 60 of 65 14 January 2007 at 10:46am | IP Logged | ||
I agree with Matthew, the situation is similar in Liguria, where the greatest part of the younger generations are not able to speak the Ligurian dialect or even to understand it well when spoken by the elders. And Matthew's explanation of the social causes of the phenomenon we were talking about, which involved social reasons more than linguistic ones, is very accurate Edited by easyboy82 on 14 January 2007 at 11:28am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| easyboy82 Pentaglot Groupie Italy Joined 6834 days ago 72 posts - 75 votes Speaks: Italian*, French, English, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek | Message 61 of 65 14 January 2007 at 11:13am | IP Logged | ||
This is really a personal point of view :) Are you saying that in the south people don't use regional words for "immondizia" or others which are not immediately understandable by persons coming from other parts of Italy?? Are you saying that southern youth has regional slangs closer to standard words than those of north Italy? You could say regional words are equally not understandable by those who come from another region, and so it is for slang, and I could agree. But your last sentence is really hard to agree with, at least in this generic and absolute form, because as I said proper dialect influences are stronger in the everyday speech of southern people while in the north it is above all a matter of accent. Then..sorry but..the language Camilleri's novels are wrote in is not proper Sicilian but Italian with Sicilian elements..that's why they are understandable.. Edited by easyboy82 on 14 January 2007 at 11:21am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6964 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 62 of 65 14 January 2007 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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well Vilas, I haven't been on this forum for many months
Your last post was january 8Th ....six days ago no many months ago.. Easyboy take it easy.!!...This is not a contest ....is a discussion among friends...If I joke on you you can joke on me. Be instinctual , don't prepare your answers, even if you make some fault in english ...it's Ok ! Now introduce to a normal talk in a Bologna's bar among normal people (this is Regional Italian Bolognese) " Quel bagaglio li' del sindaco ha messo giu' un batedo di divieti ai locali , ma i commercianti non ne vogliono mezza , e lotteranno perchè non gliela vogliono dare su ,se uno la sera si vuol prendere una bresca se la prenda e al sindaco prima o poi gli scende la catena e metterà i divieti nel rusco lui e quella sandrona della sua assessora" And now a little piece of Camilleri (Regional italian Siciliano) Avevo sì e no cinco anni quanno una matina, sul tardo, mè matre niscì dalla cucina e venne da mia che stavo a taliare il ”Corriere dei piccoli” e a circare di leggiri le storie di sor Pampurio o del soldato Marmittone. “Vai dal napoletano e accattami cento grammi di cascavaddro che quanno fici la spisa me lo scordai”. All’epoca, tutti i negozianti di generi alimentari del mio paisi venivano chiamati “i napoletani” pirchì parlavano tutti con l’accento delle parti di Napoli Which one is the more understandable ?? In MY opinion sicilan , maybe in your opinion the bolognese . Maybe somebody else don't understand both. And at the end ... who cares?? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6964 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 63 of 65 14 January 2007 at 1:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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You said about my post
"This is really a personal point of view Hey Easyboy (how did you choose this name?) everything here is a personal point of view and is good that people has its own point of view! Thanks god ! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| easyboy82 Pentaglot Groupie Italy Joined 6834 days ago 72 posts - 75 votes Speaks: Italian*, French, English, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Greek | Message 64 of 65 14 January 2007 at 2:18pm | IP Logged | ||
But of course I agree!! But it only seemed to me you were in a flame with me judging from the tone of your previous posts. And a bit ironic too , even now when you ask me how did I chose my nick ( it's a joke in honor of the song Easy Lady by Spagna, my favourite singer , by the way , nothing more..) I think you're exemples are interesting because they underline that in the northern one we have a substantial italian structure with some obscure regional words impossible to recognize if you haven't been exposed to them before (in my case I don't know what "rusco" is, but others could have problems with 4 or 5 words) while in the southern one we have a more homogenic presence of the dialectal substract in nearly every word (quanno, circari etc..) and some quite obscure words : in this case I don't know what "taliari" and "cascaveddro" stand for.. I like constructive discussions and to exchange points of view, until it is done in a pacific way. Peace & love , Andrea (my real name) :) Edited by easyboy82 on 14 January 2007 at 2:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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