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| Carlucio Triglot Groupie BrazilRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4859 days ago 70 posts - 113 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC1, Spanish Studies: Mandarin | Message 25 of 81 15 December 2011 at 1:04am | IP Logged | ||
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Don't worry, i was not talking about you, my dialect is caipira,from Goiás ,as well and it is ridiculous to see how the brazilian media always is trying to impose "a right way to speak". that is why i said that we suffer more internal discrimination than external.
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| gerry Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5251 days ago 22 posts - 23 votes Speaks: English*, French, Italian Studies: Spanish, Latin, German | Message 26 of 81 15 December 2011 at 12:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've studied French for years so I would like to say French however I'm going to have to
say Portuguese. It seems that with Brazil's population and the language already growing in popularity, there's no doubt in my mind Portuguese will be more useful at that time. Although I do think French will still have usefulness, just not as much. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6062 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 28 of 81 02 January 2012 at 4:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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As far as the murdering of our language goes, we're doing quite well, thank you. I can read easily books that have been written or translated in Brazil, but sometimes I get appalled by some articles in our press.
The only thing I get from pt-br (as you call it) is a bit of uneasyness, but that's all. In spite of being a small country, we also have lots of small regional coloquialisms.
Somehow, I doubt it. The demographics are a bit different. But I guess it was only an image. Um abraço. Edited by Luso on 02 January 2012 at 4:18pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4716 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 29 of 81 02 January 2012 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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As far as I can tell, Brazil receives almost nothing from Portugal nowadays. The last Portuguese singer I know about is Roberto Leal (ahaha!). Sometimes some Portuguese actors make a small part on our soap operas, but I think Portugal receives much more from Brazil than the opposite, for example our soap operas are sent everywhere in the world, but my friend said they're really famous in Portugal. Also there's one Brazilian (shitty) TV presentor who is (or was) in Portugal, called João Kleber.
Concerning the languages, I think PT-BR and PT-PT will still pretty much as they are now, different, but close enough to be mutually understandable. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| zerothinking Senior Member Australia Joined 6373 days ago 528 posts - 772 votes Speaks: English* | Message 30 of 81 04 January 2012 at 5:51am | IP Logged | ||
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Brazil is not on its way to anything special. Recent government actions in the country
are going to hold it back even further. The hype around Brazil and India is unfounded. They will grow a lot and will be large - over all - but internally still not very rich per person, innovative, or interesting as compared to other places in 2050. Edited by zerothinking on 04 January 2012 at 6:00am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| FireViN Diglot Senior Member Brazil missaoitaliano.wordpRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5230 days ago 196 posts - 292 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC2 Studies: Italian | Message 31 of 81 04 January 2012 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | ||
Well, I hope we are wrong, but I agree with you. What really matters for me is the quality of life, and I don't see it growing to an european level anytime soon. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gallo1801 Diglot Senior Member Spain Joined 4903 days ago 164 posts - 248 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), Croatian, German, French | Message 32 of 81 21 January 2012 at 10:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Portuguese. Driven by Brazil's meteoric rise to the first world. (I read somewhere a
few weeks back that Brazil is going to be 'developed' (whatever that really means) by 2020 according to Standard and Poors! So yes, in our lifetime, Portuguese is going to be more important than French given the business climate. France and Francophone Africa aren't going to be as quickly developing as Brazil... But as with other popular languages, such as Russian and Chinese, Portuguese doesn't have the history of French. French will linger as a quasi-lingua franca. How soon do we forget that between Latin and English, French served as THE world language for a number of centuries. In that respect French's importance will carry one, but whether it is as popular in the coming years is to be decided. As for the rift between Br-Pt and Pt-Pt, yeah, it happens to be greater than others such as English, French, and German. But all languages have one, or in the case of English two, prestige dialects. As a native speaker of English, I couldn't understand a group of guys from York on the metro in Madrid. It could've been Frisian for all I could understand. Here in the South of the USA, one of my friend's parents sent here to a speech pathologic to not have that distinctive Charlestonian lull, because the major economic centers in the North look down on that dialect. And from friends that still have heavily accented English, in some cases their twang cost them jobs. And same for the Parisian/Every-where-else rift. They're all correct. And with German you have High and then all the region ones that some argue are almost as disglossic as Arabic. When will we just accept and embrace the differences between dialects and accents? Yeah, it can be annoying (all my Arabic speakers know what I mean) but that's part of the joy of learning a language. I usually have a Madrileño accent, but sometimes like to speach Puerto Rican or Mexican just for the novelty of being able to do it. The intra-language differences are fascinating! I prefer the Rio accent, but even listening to a Lisbon one I find interesting. END RANT. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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