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petrklic
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 Message 57 of 75
29 January 2012 at 5:11pm | IP Logged 
druckfehler wrote:
Isn't that what native speakers are for? Just throw some textbook sentences at them and see what happens? If they have that "error" expression on their faces, you know that you have to make some adjustments. :)


A service of the same quality could only be provided by a genie: he'd be always there, obediently waiting for your requests, always ready, unerring, diligently pointing out your mistakes.

druckfehler wrote:
(and how about "three"?)


I went through etymology of Vietnamese words for 1 to 10, and they are all of proto-Khmeric origin. I think that means we are probably out of luck. I found this:

V.U. Nguyen, Numerals in Vietnamese wrote:
The closest translation of chục is decade in English (apart from meaning of “ten years”), and “dizaine” in French, which in turn is loosely equivalent to “douzaine” for “dozen”, being Tá (equal to 12), or [da] in Mandarin, and [taz] in Wu.


So that looks promising, but unfortunately the etymology of Korean 다스 "da.seu" is from Japanese and that from English "dozen". D'oh!

There's more written in that same paper that I cited above, but I need to leave now, and it will have to wait for later.
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druckfehler
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 Message 58 of 75
29 January 2012 at 6:42pm | IP Logged 
The Real CZ wrote:
It's gakusei in Japanese.


Definitely sounds related. Too bad about Mandarin using a different word/pronunciation.

petrklic wrote:
A service of the same quality could only be provided by a genie: he'd be always there, obediently waiting for your requests, always ready, unerring, diligently pointing out your mistakes.


If you come across a language genie, let me know :) But if I ever meet one maybe I'll just wish to be fluent in 3 languages and skip the studying... :D

petrklic wrote:
I went through etymology of Vietnamese words for 1 to 10, and they are all of proto-Khmeric origin. I think that means we are probably out of luck.


That's too bad, numbers seemed promising with the overlap between Japanese and Korean Warp3 pointed out and Mandarin also would've fit.



How about 비 "bi" - rain? I heard it's the same in Japanese.

Or 준비 "junbi" preparation - I heard it pronounced very similarly in a movie I watched in Mandarin.

Edited by druckfehler on 29 January 2012 at 6:48pm

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vermillon
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 Message 59 of 75
23 February 2012 at 12:02am | IP Logged 
druckfehler wrote:
The Real CZ wrote:
It's gakusei in Japanese.


Definitely sounds related. Too bad about Mandarin using a different word/pronunciation.


Sure is, as Japanese doesn't have any final consonant (except /n/), they add an /u/ after borrowings from Sinitic, so the /hok/hak/ from any Sinitic language (except Mandarin...) is quite close to gaku. Then sei is also close to seng/sing ("close" when looking at Japanese phonological system I mean).

Oh, the original reason I posted here was to know if I could possibly join the team?
I've some higher intermediate (or advanced perhaps, never feel too confident about using such words) skills in Mandarin, which I just want to maintain. My main goals for 2012 are Korean (now at a TOPIK 2 level, aiming as far as I can for the rest of the year) and Classical Chinese (improving my comprehension and start reading some nice works... occasionally composing for fun, if I'm brave enough).. and possibly some more, a year is long!

Edited by vermillon on 23 February 2012 at 12:03am

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druckfehler
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 Message 60 of 75
23 February 2012 at 1:55pm | IP Logged 
That phonological explanation is really interesting!

I'm all for you joining the team :)

Edited by druckfehler on 23 February 2012 at 1:57pm

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vermillon
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 Message 61 of 75
23 February 2012 at 5:44pm | IP Logged 
Oh, I realise what I've said is not entirely complete. It should be "add a /u/ in Sinitic borrowings when that borrowing ends in a stop" (what is called the "entering tones". 入聲)

Thanks for your support druckfehler!
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MsStayPeaceful
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 Message 62 of 75
23 February 2012 at 6:26pm | IP Logged 
Hey! I was wondering if I can join your team (even though I'm two months late). I am new
to the self language learners and it would be cool to have a couple people supporting you.

Language: Korean
Current Level: A1
Goal: C1
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zhanglong
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 Message 63 of 75
23 February 2012 at 8:30pm | IP Logged 
MsStayPeaceful wrote:
Hey! I was wondering if I can join your team (even though I'm two months late). I am new
to the self language learners and it would be cool to have a couple people supporting you.

Language: Korean
Current Level: A1
Goal: C1


Language learning is forever. I say, Welcome aboard! Just make sure to do a little each day or else your enthusiasm may take you in other directions. I find that if I schedule a half hour, or even 10 minutes for more than one time during the day, that I can remember more and look forward to the practice.

If I try to do a huge practice, like saying "I'm gonna study four hours today" and do it uninterruptedly, then my mind gets fatigued, and I'm just not as effective.

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druckfehler
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 Message 64 of 75
24 February 2012 at 2:19am | IP Logged 
Welcome, MsStayPeaceful! Have you opened a language log yet?
Wow, Korean is all the rage at the moment, it seems :) Good for our team! It's great to see two more people here.
Let us know when you make your logs, so petrklic can add them to the list.


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