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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5332 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 25 of 49 19 January 2013 at 5:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
What makes you think we manage to remember the correct spelling? :-) I am not there by a long shot, I hate the merkisnak so much that had it been alive I would have shot it, but what can you do? We just have to take the time it takes and be patient. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 26 of 49 19 January 2013 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Imagine that the soft sign disappeared. You would have to remember the softness of a
sound by heart, it would be practically impossible, given you don't hear the difference. We experience this problem with the word "good", I have recently found it is pronounced with a different vowel than "hood". What about yotating vowels? Is it easy to remember where to spell я, ё, ю after consonants? Edited by Марк on 19 January 2013 at 5:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 27 of 49 19 January 2013 at 6:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I just integrally remember the soft sign as part of the spelling of a word. I don't think
it's any less of a letter just because it's not pronounced per se (instead it modifies the previous letter). That doesn't mean I always pronounce it correctly, but it's not any more or less annoying than French diacritics or apostrophes in English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5224 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 28 of 49 20 January 2013 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
WRT Russian and remembering spellings, as Mark and the others have pointed out, if you understand why every letter is there (i.e. the sound/spelling system makes sense to you), it's easy. English is difficult in comparison and we still get by...
You're welcome, but I'm a lot like 'someone's wrong? ON THE INTERNET? supercow al rescate!' ;)
It's not possible to stay neutral. You can do that wrt nuances such as *some* time tenses, etc. but you can't avoid pronouncing your 'c/z' and 's's as one or two different sounds. It shouldn't be difficult to learn, though, so you probably can adapt to the local variant on the spot without too much effort.
Drop me a line when you come just in case I'm still around. A friend of mine stayed here for years and yet she couldn't master it, others made it click at some point, so don't stress too much about it. Edited by mrwarper on 20 January 2013 at 12:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Wort Groupie Austria Joined 4538 days ago 82 posts - 87 votes Speaks: German* Studies: English, Spanish | Message 29 of 49 20 January 2013 at 7:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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January 20th 2013
Spanish: I studied new vocabulary as well as I repeated some words I had learnt before. Russian: I repeated the phonetic rules and I tried to learn some new words which currently is incredibly difficult for me - I don't know why but I think it's because Russian is my first Slavic language and therefore its structure is completely new for me. @mrwarper: Thanks, I will definitely do so. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5332 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 30 of 49 20 January 2013 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
My problem is that every single time I see a merkisnak I see a b, as in boss. So first I have to mentally remove the x#%+$xk letter from the word so I can figure out what the rest of the letters spell, and only then I can actually read it. Besides Russian has so many things that makes it confusing to read anyway, that it would actually be a big relief not to have it there. I see an e- how is it pronounced? Like the first or the second e in Elena? No idea. I see a word with three o's. which ones are o and which ones are a - no idea, unless I already know the word. Then there are the я or e which sometimes become i in my ears and the г which becomes v or the B which is a v but which is sometimes pronounced like an f. Russian spelling is one gigantic nightmare for someone with dyslexia. Had I not been so helplessly in love with the language I would have dropped it in a heart beat. And I do hear the difference after a "t. I do not hear the difference after an l, at least I don't think I do, though my teacher claims I pronounce it correctly, and I do not hear a difference after an "r". Which of course makes me have even less use for the merkisnak, as it mostly gives me information I cannot use :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| sans-serif Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4557 days ago 298 posts - 470 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, German, Swedish Studies: Danish | Message 31 of 49 20 January 2013 at 9:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
This happened to me with many of the soft/hard consonant pairs when I was dabbling with Russian some years back. It was both hilarious and frustrating at the same time, and I still can't hear the difference when the sounds appear in words. The good news is you don't have to hear the difference to speak perfectly, and you seem to be doing just fine. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Wort Groupie Austria Joined 4538 days ago 82 posts - 87 votes Speaks: German* Studies: English, Spanish | Message 32 of 49 27 January 2013 at 6:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Weekly Summary
Spanish: I learned some new vocabulary, read an article and had a bit more than an hour conversation with a native speaker from Venezuela. In addition I ordered the book "La línea" after I had read it in English as well as the Spanish Harry Potter "La piedra filosofal". I'm looking forward to enjoy these books and to expand my vocabulary while having fun/getting entertained. Russian: I learned the plural (Nominative) of substantives. Generally, the rules aren't that difficult but the tricky thing is that sometimes (or often - I still don't know) the intonation of the noun changes - currently I'm not sure how to handle this big problem. It seems incredibly difficult. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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