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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5432 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 17 of 104 02 November 2013 at 4:11am | IP Logged | ||
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The TCF test that @emk is referring to is an assessment test that will determine the level of the candidate on the
CEFR scale. Hence it will rank the skills individually. You cannot fail the TCF. The English equivalent is the IELTS The DELF / DALF and the Spanish DELE tests are certification tests that certify you have attained a given level. So, you must choose the level that you wish to have certified. You can certainly fail the test. Let's say you fail the C1, you are not graded as a B1 or a B2. You are out and you have to sit the test again - and spend a fair amount of money. In this system there is no such thing as being graded C1 oral comprehension and B1 oral production. You either pass or fail. That said, your test scores on each section do not have to be identical. Certain skills can be stronger or weaker than others. Edited by s_allard on 02 November 2013 at 4:11am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Lorren Senior Member United States brookelorren.com/blo Joined 4253 days ago 286 posts - 324 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Danish, Irish Studies: Russian | Message 18 of 104 02 November 2013 at 6:56am | IP Logged | ||
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I have no clue where I would be on the A/B/C scale in my languages, so I guess I'll just give a description:
English - native language Spanish - I took 1 1/2 years of college Spanish, and recently went through levels 1 through 5 of Rosetta Stone. Fairly low level speaking/listening skills, but I know enough to go into the country and survive without having to resort to English. If people are patient with me, I could have a conversation on various topics. For reading, I can understand about 90 to 95% of words in a popular magazine, without resorting to a dictionary. German - 6 years of middle and high school German. I haven't spoken much in years, but I do still remember the basics. If I was on the Amazing Race and was dumped in a German speaking country, I could probably "get by" without having to rely on English speakers. Italian - 3 semesters of Italian at a community college; lived in Italy for three years. As with German, I could probably "get by" in the country without having to search for an English speaker. My German is probably still stronger than my Italian though. Russian - 1 year of high school Russian, plus almost 1 unit of Rosetta Stone Russian in level 1. At one point, I had forgotten how to read Cyrillic, but I have regained that skill once again. I know very basic polite words and simple words for things like "boy", "girl", etc. While I could read street signs to figure out where I was, I probably could not order in a restaurant or get a hotel room without a little help from one of the above languages. Other languages that I have dabbled in to one degree or another: French, Chinese, Arabic, and New Testament Greek. I have pretty much 0 usable skills in these languages at the moment, but were I to pick them up again, I have a familiarity with the languages that would help me to learn them more quickly than something that I had never attempted. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5984 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 19 of 104 02 November 2013 at 10:27am | IP Logged | ||
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English - native speaker
Welsh English - near-native passive skills. Active skills rendered useless by unconvincing accent. Welsh - competent comprehension of railway station announcements. Have professional experience of cutting and pasting Welsh. Small number of phrases memorised including "I don't speak Welsh". Japanese - JLPT N2 certified. Can follow TV dramas and maintain friendships in the language. Absolutely petrified of business Japanese. French - A level C grade. Can read easier contemporary novels, listen to other people's conversations, and will speak to anyone who will tolerate my errors. Can travel without needing English. German - can fake it as a tourist, as long as the dialogue sticks to the script. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6705 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 20 of 104 02 November 2013 at 11:37am | IP Logged | ||
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A list comprising EVERYTHING?? OK, it'll be long!
Since my degree in French (papers received January 1982) I haven't taken any formal test in any language, so I have to rely on self-assessment based on things I have done and know that I can do. And even though the list may become slightly unwieldy I'll try to do the assessment separately for written and spoken language and for active versus passive skills (i.e.). I published a word count list in 2009 and I have made more counts in 2012 and 2013, and I'll publish a summary (EDIT: done!) in my log when I have combined the results into one table. Order of items: written passive, written active, spoken passive, spoken active .. = "not available" (= I have never tried the activity) Standard Danish (native language): C2 all over Danish dialects: C1 (insofar I can find anything written I can usually read it), B2, C1, A2 Icelandic: C1, B1, A1, A2 - I don't hear much spoken Icelandic, but I can read the stuff without much ado. Old Norse: B2, .., (A2), .. Gothic: A2, .., .., .. Norwegian: C2, B1 (bokmål)/B2 (nynorsk), mostly C1, B1 - the problem is of course the dialects Swedish: C2, B2, C2, B2 'Standard' English: C2, C2, C2, C1 - here the issue is what standard English is. My personal variant can be localized to somewhere around the Midatlantic ridge - but it is definitely fluent. Scots dialects: C1, B1, B1 ('soft' Scots: C1), A1 Anglosaxon: A2, .., A1, .. Frisian (West): B1, .., (A1), .. Low German: C1, B1, B2, A2 Standard High German: C2, C1, C2, C1 (grammatical errors, but fluent) Dutch: C1, B1, B2, B1 (on a good day) Afrikaans: C1, B1, B1, A2 Latin: B2, B1, B2, A2 (reading skills: not quite Vergilius, but fairly consistent at the level of Ephemerida) Modern French: C2, C1, C1, C1 (OK, maybe my pronunciation is a bit wobbly, but I am fluent) Old French: B2, .., .., .. Modern Occitan: A2, .., A1, .. Old Occitan: B1, .., .., .. Portuguese: C1, B2, B2, B1 (European variant, but with a certain influence from the Brazilian vowels which in my opinion are utterly delectable) Galician: B2, .., B1?, .. (listening only tested on short snippets from TV Galicia) Spanish (Castillian): C1, B2, B2, B1 (tested both in Spain and Latinamerica - and as with English and Portuguese my speech is a fluid combination of all the variants I have heard) Catalan: C1, B2, B2, B1 Standard Italian: C1, B2, B2, B1 Sardic: B2, .., ?, .. Romantsch (diff. languages/dialects): A2, .., .., .. Romanian: B2, B1, B1, B1 Aromanian (and other dialects): A1, .., .., .. (you wouldn't believe it's the same language as Daco!) Irish: A2, A1, A1, A0 (but progressing!) Russian: B1, A2, A1, A2 (Yes! I often know what to say, but I wouldn't be able to understand the answer because I almost never listen to Russian - shame on me!) Polish: A2, A1, A1?, A1 (last time I visited Poland I had not yet started my studies, and I have hardly heard any Polish since then) Serbian, Croatian: A2, .., A1, .. Bulgarian: A2, .., A1?, .. (last time I visited Bulgaria I actually did understand some isolated phrases, but I haven't heard it since then) Modern Greek (Dhimotiki): B2, A2, A1, A2 (same situation as with Russian, but at least I can visit Greece or Cyprus without applying for a visum - and there are cheap flights down there!) Old Greek (Harry Potter): A2, .., .., .. Esperanto: C1, B1, B2, B1 (on a good day) Bahasa Indonesia: B1, A2, (A2), A1 Only grammar studies plus a few isolated words: Czech, Slovenian, Finnish, Hungarian, Albanian, Basque, Bahasa Melayu, Tagalog/Filipino, Swahili and a few others Edited by Iversen on 02 November 2013 at 2:42pm 15 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5432 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 21 of 104 02 November 2013 at 12:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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As someone who has campaigned for the use of the CEFR assessment scale here at HTLAL instead of the
"basic/intermediate/advanced fluency" stuff, I am very glad to see all those A's, B's and C's flying around. I wonder however how many people have actually looked at the guidelines that @emk referred to earlier. What I suspect is that many people simply say that A is beginner, B intermediate and C advanced. So, I'm not really a beginner since I studied language X some years ago and I'm not really advanced because I can't speak it, so I must be B. The CEFR model does not work that way. I won't go into all the details except to say that the emphasis is on what you can do in the language. I also want to point out that the word passive does not exist in the CEFR model. The term receptive skill is used because understanding is anything but passive. Understanding a language requires work. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6127 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 22 of 104 02 November 2013 at 4:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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Japanese. 2008 JLPT 3 failed. 2009 JLPT 3 passed. 2010 JLPT N3 failed. 2011 JLPT N2 failed. 2012 JLPT N2 failed. Capable of basic greetings and beginner type conversations. Can read newspapers and websites with a dictionary. Struggles with listening and normal speed conversation with natives. Actively studying.
Finnish. Studied, guessing around A1. Can say basic greetings, counting, days of week, things like this. Can write simple sentences. German. A0. Studied in High School for 3 years. Can actually kind of fake German in chat rooms, but time has erased all the genders. Zero actual ability in this language though with real people. Spanish. A0 Studied in Jr. High school for 1 year but completely even forgot that I did, until I looked at old yearbooks. Don't even know the days of the week. Kind of remember numbers a little bit. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6599 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 23 of 104 02 November 2013 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | ||
Also it's not basic/intermediate/advanced fluency, it's beginner/intermediate/basic fluency/advanced fluency. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6127 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 24 of 104 02 November 2013 at 5:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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If we're going for 'dead honest', it seems to me your level should be whatever is the lowest. So if you have C2 level reading ability but A1 speaking, your rating is A1.
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