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| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5566 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 41 of 63 19 December 2013 at 9:30pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I think there are odd concepts of 'culturally significant' here - I suppose by the
same logic if the phrase To Be or Not to Be' was used in an Rihanna song, she would be more culturally significant than Shakespeare if you liked that song but had not read Hamlet? If a band cites someone - surely the originator is more culturally significant? - because the first is original and spread through the culture, but the quote is just a derivative use of it? BTW - I was, and am joking. Edited by Elexi on 19 December 2013 at 9:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5229 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 42 of 63 19 December 2013 at 9:52pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Depends--did Rihanna or Shakespeare use it first?
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| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4623 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 43 of 63 19 December 2013 at 10:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Did Shakespeare even write the plays that are credited to him? I believe there is some doubt about that.
Even if he did, he probably filched some ideas from those that came before him. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5229 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 44 of 63 19 December 2013 at 10:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Shakespeare's greatness is held to reside in his language--not in his plots, which were mostly derivative. It's his wording we celebrate--except for the things he stole from Rihanna, of course.
There are some fringe ideas that someone else wrote Shakespeare's plays (ambitious crackpots even theorize the same person shot President Kennedy whilst aperch the grassy knoll and then escaped via flying saucer), but qualified scholars don't take them seriously. Edited by ScottScheule on 19 December 2013 at 11:01pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5227 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 45 of 63 20 December 2013 at 1:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Maybe a bit of both ;) OK, seriously, I do the same thing, and after seeing this...
... I was like 'WTF? *I* was taught that *in high school*, no C2, no nothing -- oh wait, it's an age thing -- OMG I'm OLD!', but since other posters say they use it and people in their twenties are still called 'young' in some places, there must be a good degree of variation. The rewards of phasing out grammar from schools I guess ;( As for the origin vs reference thing, no metal fans thought of the obvious 'who cited who?'? :D Edited by mrwarper on 20 December 2013 at 1:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5566 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 46 of 63 20 December 2013 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Metal fans never do - because, unlike John Donne, they believe Metal is an island,
entire of itself :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4640 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 47 of 63 20 December 2013 at 4:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
To be honest, I am quite old-fashioned, at least in the eyes of my soon-to-become-a-teenager daughter. But then even Metallica fans would be old-fashioned in her view:-) As for pedantic, yes, I do tend to correct my colleague's wrong use of commas... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4689 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 48 of 63 20 December 2013 at 4:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
You mean "Who Made Who" by AC/DC? They're Australian. Do they even English? ;-) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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