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| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 153 of 195 27 October 2014 at 10:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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Re: web pages in TL
Hi peoples, I know its been discussed but i couldnt find it. In order to improve my motivation in the SC i'd like to count web pages in my TL. I already read a lot of them but dont count them. Can i count them? Is it 250 words = 1 page (like books)? PM 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 154 of 195 28 October 2014 at 1:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Tadoku has these guidelines at least:
A newspaper article or webpage counts as 1 page if it has roughly the 2 paragraphs worth of text, give or take a sentence. If the page is unusually long, you may count it as more than a page. Basically, if in doubt, think of it this way: 1 page = 2-3 paragraphs 1 paragraph = 5-8 short sentences OR 2-4 long sentences 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5335 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 155 of 195 28 October 2014 at 6:52am | IP Logged | ||
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I do not recommend reading web pages for the SC. If it is the only way you can do it, then you are allowed to
do it, but I absolutely do not recommend it. The point of the SC is to get you to read books. Are there absolutely no books on any topic you enjoy enough to sit down and read them? Although the ideal is to read works of fiction, you are not limited to that. You can read about history, philosophy, gardening, motorcycles, or whichever topic you like. But do try to go for longer texts, after Professor Arguelles' lecture I am more and more convinced that this is the most beneficial choice. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 156 of 195 28 October 2014 at 7:39am | IP Logged | ||
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Web is just a medium though. You can find long and challenging texts, or multiple smaller articles by the same author and/or on the same topic.
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5335 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 157 of 195 28 October 2014 at 8:22am | IP Logged | ||
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You are right, but that is not how people typically use it, and if they do they might as well read a book :-)
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| Kerrie Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Kerrie2 Joined 5396 days ago 1232 posts - 1740 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 158 of 195 28 October 2014 at 9:51am | IP Logged | ||
Wow. That's not what most of my books look like! 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 159 of 195 28 October 2014 at 9:56am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks Serpent for your response.
Solfrid: I have plenty of ebooks, plenty of paperbacks, but I also find very interesting reading matieral online. It's just nice to have another option, and sometimes that option (web pages) I access away from home when I've had enough of reading a book and want to find something specific but lengthy via a google search - I often search things with google, but try very hard to search in French (my TL). If it is allowed in the SC i'm even more likely to look for what i'm curious about online in French. Often I search the same themes, and very long articles and topics are what I often prefer. In fact compared to reading my current book I find the material online more challenging most of the time. I am not sure what you mean about how people typically use the internet, but I don't like facebook and I often tend to avoid much of the mainstream information out there, but not always. I read in depth, long articles. This is reading, it's not messing about. I used my dictionary and look up words as I read and I sometimes add words to my flashcard deck from the articles I read. I am certainly not stuck for material, but web pages/the internet is honestly a genuine avenue for reading for me. I read it in much the same way I would read a book, except the content is often shorter but not necessarily always. Here's an example of recent reading material from websites I have visited recently. Some of the material is very controversial, that is not the point, and i'm not looking to draw attention or comment from the content. However this is what I read. This material I have read over the last week, not all of it, but most. I'm sure you will see that this is genuine reading material. But yes I can read books. However as I said this is another genuine option for me. PM sample 1 Sample 2 Sample 3 Sample 4 Sample 5 Sample 6 Sample 7 Sample 8 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4910 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 160 of 195 28 October 2014 at 10:49am | IP Logged | ||
I read what you wrote about his lecture on your log a few weeks ago, and I would love it if you could elaborate a bit more. What I wonder is, since he recommends something like 7k vocabulary for extensive reading, and he recommends reading higher literature, what does he have his students do until they can do that? For me, the solution is my own variation of "narrow reading". Briefly, narrow reading is defined as reading within a series, a particular author or even a particular genre. My version is to read within an author or genre, but also to choose short books and re-read them several times. Some years ago I read an article (which I can't find) outlining a study of vocabulary acquisition by reading among primary students. Students were given vocabulary tests before and after reading five short books. One group of students read five different books, and the other group of students read the same book five times. The result was that the students who read the same book five times gained more vocabulary than those who read five books once. The obvious disadvantage to re-reading books is that it can get boring. This is where short books have an advantage. If you can read the whole book in an hour, then repeat readings aren't as awful. If the book is really interesting or funny, then repeated readings can be quite enjoyable. For example, I've got 4-5 Petit Nicolas books, and I've read them 2-5 times (depending on how long I've had them). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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