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| TimmyTurner93 Groupie United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3667 days ago 45 posts - 58 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Portuguese, Japanese | Message 41 of 314 27 December 2014 at 3:51pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Thanks everyone!
I'm wouldn't say I'm a complete beginner. I can read/recognise both kana & have learnt the first 50 Kanji in RTK. I've got both Genki textbooks, Japanese the manga way & Tae Kims guide. RTK bores me & I mainly see a bunch of randome lines so I'm switiching to Kanji damage once I've learnt the radicals.
Yep i've already researched around all things relating to the test. Seems I only have to take a short car ride to the test centre at the University of London - SOAS site.
I found something called text-to-speech for anki. I don't know how good the voice will be but I'll give it a try once I've gone through the 1st few chapters of Genki.
I've heard patience is vital in the majority of Asian languages as theres a lot of new concepts for English speakers. Also, to reach N2 after a year a half probably took some really effective and intensive studying. & here's the link to my log 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4665 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 42 of 314 27 December 2014 at 4:04pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I sat the N5 at the Russell Square campus. I sat the N4 at the Vernon Square campus, the location of which I found out about the hard way when the receptionist/security guard at Russell Square said "Nope. Nothing going on here today. Maybe it's at our other site" Don't make the same mistake I did and do read the test voucher carefully :-) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5535 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 43 of 314 27 December 2014 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
The Korean reading (동아) is a valid word according to Naver: http://goo.gl/9NI45l 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4349 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 44 of 314 27 December 2014 at 4:57pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
As you may have noticed in my log's title, it's written a bit differently using Traditional Characters in Mandarin (東亞). Simplified should be even more different (东亚, I think). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4797 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 45 of 314 27 December 2014 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Hi all! Glad to see stifa and g-bod on board! I agree, g-bod, that it would be a good to
use a name that goes with all the languages here, and the only thing that comes to mind is choosing maybe a kanji/hanzi character that has a common meaning. But then, what about Korean? I'd definitely appreciate your input on this. I am going to be working on the resources lists over the next few days, so forgive me if they're not up yet. Just getting a few things out of the way here at home. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| sabotai Senior Member United States Joined 5882 days ago 391 posts - 489 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Japanese, Korean, French | Message 46 of 314 27 December 2014 at 7:32pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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こんにちは and 안녕하세요 Team East Asia.
I'm in again this year for TAC for Japanese and Korean. Link to my log Edited by sabotai on 27 December 2014 at 7:33pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4797 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 47 of 314 27 December 2014 at 7:52pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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@TimmyTurner93:
It's good that you have a few resources at your disposal. Don't get caught up in multiple beginner text-books, though, you'll be forever at the beginner stage. Yes multiple repetitions are good for reinforcement, but since you seem to be using Anki, that will take care of it. You can definitely consult other sources for further clarification, but don't dwell upon it. Once you got the basics down, expose yourself to a lot of authentic material, because, as you will see, speed, word contractions, usage, are all obviously different that what you'd find in text books. Just get a solid grounding first, and Genki is a very good book. Tae Kim is a good, concise grammar. One good place that's full of resources and recommendations about what to watch, read, or basically do while learning the language is this page. It basically points you out to almost every source of media/books out there, and it has guides that group them by level, so that, whatever stage you're at, you can always find something authentic and useful to enjoy and learn from. I refer to this a lot in my own process. I think the site itself is very useful for advice on the language, but I haven't really spent a lot of time on it. Remember, lots of exposure is key. The more comprehensible it is, the better it works, even though listening to higher levels than yours cements the sounds of the language in your head, and makes it easier to pronounce in the long run. It also exposes you to lots of words and idiomatic usages that you may either be able to work out on your own, or at east, if you do come across it actively studying, it would sound familiar to you, and its particular usage would make sense. But comprehensible, or semi-comprehensible, has the best ROI that I've come across, in terms of speed and efficiency. I do both anyway. Software like subs2SRS can help combine native material and studying, if Anki is your thing, and TONs of reading and listening. Another software called Learning with texts helps you do both reading and Anki. For text-to-speech, there's a plug-in called Awesome TTS. I had it installed on Anki a while back to have it give me audio for some sentences. Nothing beats a real voice, and you're bound to get a few mistakes in pronunciation every now and then, but this one uses Misaki's voice, and it's pretty fast, and so far, I haven't had any weird pronunciations. Though it could happen. At least to me, it's better than Google TTS. Their's is excruciatingly slow, and really grates on the ears. Kanji. If RTK is not your thing, I believe g-bod used the Basic Kanji and Intermediate Kanji books, so she may have better advice regarding that. I used RTK, because it saved me the frustration of not knowing the meanings, and it was faster for me to do anyway. But, yeah, I agree, it can get old pretty fast. And RTK 1 and 3 don't give you the readings. So you can do a couple of things. One, you can head over to the koohi website, which is basically RTK, only they give you for each kanji the community stories people contributed (might save you some headache trying to think one up yourself, or at least inspire you) and they also have example words for each kanji, from which you may get the readings. I like to focus on one thing at a time so I don't get bogged down, basically first get the meanings out of the way, then focus on the readings, but that's just me. Another option is, as you do sentences in Genki or whatever source you're using atm, then rip out those kanji and look up their meaning, reading, etc., either RTK-style, or whatever floats your boat. That at least saves you the trouble of having to study rare kanji, or the least commonly used ones. If you keep seeing it then you need to learn it. Other sources that I thought were very good were the Kanji in Context books, which basically has jouyou kanji, and lots of common words that incorporate them, with of course their readings. Apart from that, someone here may pitch in if they did things differently. JLPT books. Kanzen Master has a selection grouped by level, and also 日本語総まとめ (Nihongo Sou Matome). Hopefully I will link to these resources in the resource list over the next few days. Another resource people seem to use a lot is Japanesepod 101. It's in podcast format, but it has pdfs for the individual lessons. It's somewhere between a traditional course and more authentic sources, in that it gives you more natural word and idiomatic usage, while also teaching you the structure and grammar in a low-key, friendly way. There's a lot of clowning around in the first few episodes which really annoyed me, but it gets better as you go along, I believe. They also have dialog-only tracks which may save you the trouble, but of course lacks the explanations. I think doing it, as well as Genki, is over-kill, though. They have hundreds of lessons. You can do them while you do immersion, though. They can be helpful for listening practice and shadowing,and can help move you along, but they don't replace native materials, in my opinion. It's your call. Try them out and see. Like I said, I'm working on the list (I'm sorry it's taking me forever!), so hopefully you can check them out when its up. Let me know if you have any questions! Edited by Woodsei on 28 December 2014 at 2:03am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4797 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 48 of 314 27 December 2014 at 7:57pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Welcome, sabotai! Looking forward to a productive year with you. I'll add your link. Just
remember to sign up at the TAC thread, and on the Wikia page. Edited by Woodsei on 27 December 2014 at 7:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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