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| Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5446 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes  Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin | Message 41 of 96 09 March 2011 at 12:36am | IP Logged | |||||
who also lacks relevant info :). I've never heard a single Serb pronouncing Barbara as 'Varvara' or calling zamrzivac a 'friz' (and few more examples from his list, too). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 42 of 96 09 March 2011 at 1:10am | IP Logged | |||||
Of course about 99%+ of Croats (let's not count illiterates and the blind, OK?) can read (and understand fully) Serbian in the Latinic alphabet, and virtually all Croats of at least average intelligence can get over the bump of lexical and morphological differences. Do you mean to say that you are genuinely befuddled or need a translator when someone says "šargarepa" instead of "mrkva" or "idem da spavam" rather than "idem spavati"? That reminds me a lot of Vojislav Šešelj who tried to invalidate the International War Crimes' indictment of his guilt by pretending that he couldn't understand the indictment because it wasn't in "Serbian" but rather in "BCS". 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5271 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 43 of 96 09 March 2011 at 3:42am | IP Logged | |||||
Bre comes from the Greek "more" which roughly means stupid or silly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re_(exclamation) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5271 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 44 of 96 09 March 2011 at 3:43am | IP Logged | |||||
Agreed. While Serbian would have Vizantija, it's conceivable that many today would call Babylon "Babilon" rather than the proper "Vavilon" 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5271 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 45 of 96 09 March 2011 at 3:47am | IP Logged | |||||
Nonsense. My father was born and spent the first 8 years of his life in Belgrade. He then lived in Zagreb until his 20s. He never had to learn another language. He just switched his ekavian to ijekavian and used the Croat version of common variants (tjedan, tijekom, tocka, etc.) When he moved back to Belgrade in his mid 20s he easily shifted back to ekavian and the Serb variants. What you are saying is rooted not in reality but in nationalism. Here's a hint: saying that they are the same language doesn't invalidate your sense of Croatness or the legitimacy of your national sentiment. Not every nation has to have a distinct language from all others (i.e. Americans vs. English vs. Australians) to be valid. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| espfutbol98 Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5010 days ago 7 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Serbo-Croatian, Albanian, Russian, German | Message 46 of 96 09 March 2011 at 6:38am | IP Logged | |||||
I guess I didn't explain it too well but that's what I was getting at. I was using it in the since "come'on, man" (which is the same meaning you explained), not as a way to refer to a person. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Maks Newbie Croatia Joined 5009 days ago 15 posts - 9 votes | Message 47 of 96 09 March 2011 at 10:08am | IP Logged | |||||
That's not true, maybe the former Yugoslavia, it was possible but now no longer. During 70 years of Yugoslavia Yugoslav Unitarian an emphasis on reducing the differences between the Croatian and Serbian, Croatian banned many special features, particularly the words and traditions. Therefore, the Yugoslav Unitarian written literature that is not true to justify it, today many foreigners who read the literature they have forged a wrong picture about the real situation. I wish to explain that in the last 20 years of democracy things really have changed, Serbian and Croatian have turned every man to his different linguistic traditions, because these differences today far surpass those of 20 years ago. It is really funny when you mention the differences in the variant of English, Spanish or Portuguese. Croatian language also has such internal differences that are linguistically could say that Croatiančakavian, Croatiankajkavian and Croatianštokavian 3 variant of Croatian language. Croatian language is not Štokavian dialect, it is a mix of all three Croatian dialects that are styled on stokavian. I am not a nationalist, I love their tradition and respect of others. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| bushwick Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6242 days ago 407 posts - 443 votes Speaks: German, Croatian*, English, Dutch Studies: French, Japanese | Message 48 of 96 09 March 2011 at 10:46am | IP Logged | |||||
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Sure, but please do explain why do you go through the trouble of calling it "croatiančakavian". Visit one of the islands, hell, go to bigger places, like Rijeka, and speak to older people not affected by the rapid shift to štokavski, and you'll sweat blood trying to understand them.
is that a different language? Your system of classification is exactly what you espouse, Croatian, Serbian bla bla, you classify based on borders, not on common intellect. Yes, things have changed in the last 20 years. The Croatian Academy invented new words, and generally, "official" Croatian uses less borrowings than Serbian. And yes, I prefer nogomet, to "fudbal" but do not forget that recommendations by official institutions do not reflect standard language, not to mention the questionable role of language institutes anyway, but that colloquial language still will be always different. I may yell avion and vešmašina, as much as I want, and no "scholar" can tell me how it is wrong, no matter that I will make an effort to write zrakoplov or perilica. But any Serbian or Croatian, or whatever, will in any case understand what a zrakoplov or perilica is. It doesn't matter that the dictionary is different. There's dictionaries of ćakavian dialects; because 2/3 of words in those are different, do you suddenly deal with a different language and you need a translation? No, you don't. You'll have trouble, because you deal with a peculiar and interesting language that on a relatively small geographical area reflects beautiful differences in area, religion and whatever else might be the cause for differentiation. It's pretty cool actually. And I have no problem that these languages are called Serbian or Croatian, but I am more annoyed how you justify these differences, and what your agenda here is, which is basically to spread false rumours. And if it means anything to you; I'm also from Croatia, lived there for 11 years, from my 8th to my 19th birthday. I'm 20 now, so I am one those "younger generations" you mention, but I absolutely never had a problem. It took me 2 hours to learn cyrillic, and all of a sudden I was literate in Serbian. phew :D 1 person has voted this message useful |
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