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| FSI Senior Member United States Joined 6351 days ago 550 posts - 590 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 57 of 123 13 September 2007 at 6:28am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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^ The problem occurs when people aren't nearly as interested in listening to the natives as they are in opening their mouths and hearing themselves talk. It's the linguistic equivalent of people who don't read, but consider themselves excellent writers. Input before output, guys. Listen before speaking. The language is already there; you don't have to invent it. Trying to invent it won't make you a better speaker;, it'll just make you a less native one, and add to your troubles if you ever decide to actually learn the language.
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| edwin Triglot Senior Member Canada towerofconfusi&Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6456 days ago 160 posts - 183 votes 9 sounds Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French, Spanish, Portuguese | Message 58 of 123 13 September 2007 at 9:16am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
Ok, you have stated that you are NOT a language expert. Your point is taken. Frankly, you have been acting like an language expert from the beginning of this thread and also a few other threads in the forum. This is a forum and people should be allowed to express any point of view and any methodology they think which work for them. My concern is that some people, especially those new to the forum and language learning, may have mistaken you as an language expert and follow your advise without questions. You keep telling us to be skeptical about other language experts' advise and try yours. The fact is that many of us here are not new to language learning, and know or even have experienced that your method does not work well. (I am talking about the Tarzan method in particular in this thread). Moderators, could you please update the thread to state that the advise does NOT come from a language expert? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| xtremelingo Trilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6279 days ago 398 posts - 515 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Punjabi* Studies: German, French, Arabic (Written) | Message 59 of 123 13 September 2007 at 10:52am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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Another funny thing I might add is; Lingumor said he does not study language like an academic subject. Yet, he uses books that he reads and study. I am still trying to understand how his approach is any different than studying an academic subject when he uses the same methods that are also used in learning academic subjects, yet he claims language can not be learned like an academic subject. Which I might add refutes all language courses and classrooms in the world today, because language is being taught just like that -- an academic subject. Quotes? ;)
In addition, yes moderators please change all sections where I tell people I am a language-expert. If you have trouble finding these areas, ask Edwin, good luck in your search. ;) I guess idea-exchange from different fields of study, discipline (education/learning) to find relevant connections in language-learning are not supported or suggested in this forum. Sorry if I tripped over your bread n butter Linguamor, because I really hope you are good as this as you claim. Almighty one. Edited by xtremelingo on 13 September 2007 at 11:59am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| furrykef Senior Member United States furrykef.com/ Joined 6464 days ago 681 posts - 862 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Latin, Italian | Message 60 of 123 13 September 2007 at 11:27am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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I think it would be nice if this thread didn't get dragged down into a petty argument.
But I must admit I'm puzzled that you keep saying "there is no one-size-fits-all method", but your topic title asserts that "talking like Tarzan will help you", and you do little to soften this assertion anywhere. - Kef 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| xtremelingo Trilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6279 days ago 398 posts - 515 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Punjabi* Studies: German, French, Arabic (Written) | Message 61 of 123 13 September 2007 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
It is an method alongside hundreds of proven methods that language-learners should try to see if it works for them. If it does not, simply discard it and move on to the next one. It really is that simple. This is what I mean by "no one size fits all." I find it more interesting when people who have NOT tried the method suggest that it doesn't work, because one person wrote a book (online for free, hard time selling it maybe?) that says something else works instead. That does not implicitly imply that other methods do not work. Anyone who claims only one method works is lying to you. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| edwin Triglot Senior Member Canada towerofconfusi&Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6456 days ago 160 posts - 183 votes 9 sounds Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French, Spanish, Portuguese | Message 62 of 123 13 September 2007 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
My concern is that Xtremelingo might be proposing something that is harmful to language learners. If you read his first post, he does sound like he is a language expert (I do not say that he claims to be one, but he acts like one).
Then he came up with this hypothetical "Good See You" dialogue that many of us find disturbing.
Then he challenged the language experts.
Note that throughout this thread, he has never claimed to have used the Tarzan method himself. And more intriguing is that he urges us to try it!
I don't mind people suggesting different strategies for language learning, whether they work or not. I am only asking the Moderators to put a warning label at the beginning of the first post in the thread, or the subject, stating that: "This advice is given by an alledged education expert but not a language expert". 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| furrykef Senior Member United States furrykef.com/ Joined 6464 days ago 681 posts - 862 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Latin, Italian | Message 63 of 123 13 September 2007 at 12:31pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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On that note, I have a question for xtremelingo: what kind of results do you see from this method later in the student's development? How long does it take for them to sound reasonably like native speakers?
Just a minor spelling note for edwin: "allege" and its forms do not have a "d" before the "g". :) That one trips up native speakers all the time, too. (I nearly omitted this correction, which goes back to what I was saying about how people often do not correct mistakes...) - Kef Edited by furrykef on 13 September 2007 at 12:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| xtremelingo Trilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6279 days ago 398 posts - 515 votes Speaks: English*, Hindi*, Punjabi* Studies: German, French, Arabic (Written) | Message 64 of 123 13 September 2007 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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Edwin,
What are you talking about. I have used the tarzan method myself and I have mentioned that before. Everything I have described on this forum and things I practice myself. I speak perfect Urdu, Hindi, Punjabi and they are not my native languages, however I have achieved native fluency in these languages. Anyone care to speak over skype? :) I was born and raised in Canada and was raised strictly speaking English, because both my parents belong to the 'educated/upper' class in India, and if any of you whom are familiar with the class system in India, many of the Indian elite do not speak Hindi, they speak English and take alot of pride in that. I have had no formal education in any of the above languages, I have taught them to myself -- using methods such as tarzan approach AND the other methods I have described here. This includes reading and writing. IN ADDITION, I have taught English this way to over hundreds of ESL students. So sure, I don't have a phD in linguistics. But I do have countless of years experience teaching students language, particularly science in ESL -- which is far more challenging than you can ever believe. My native fluency (and I say that with full confidence) in these languages actually has to be attributed alot to constant practice and interaction with my own ESL students, because in teaching language I do have to switch into their languages to explain meaning and get things across. Edited by xtremelingo on 13 September 2007 at 12:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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