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Greek’s relationship to Romance Languages

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blasius
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 Message 17 of 22
22 August 2010 at 8:38pm | IP Logged 
ellasevia wrote:
I'm not entirely sure, but I think that Ancient Greek did have an infinite. With connections to Romanian in specific, I studied Romanian for a month or two last year and I have a Romanian friend and as she was teaching me some words, I was very surprised to learn that quite a few of them were identical or very similar to the Greek counterparts. They're probably just loanwords, but it was still interesting. The only ones I can remember off the top of my head right now are ντουλάπι/dulap, φούστα/fustă, and παλτό/palton, but I remember several others, including one I tried to find just now which was a Romanian word which I thought meant "slipper" and was quite close to the Greek παντόφλα.


Oddly enough, "pantofla" exists in Italian too ("pantofola"), its meaning being the same as in Romanian, slipper.
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 Message 18 of 22
22 August 2010 at 10:20pm | IP Logged 
blasius wrote:
ellasevia wrote:
I'm not entirely sure, but I think that Ancient Greek did have an infinite. With connections to Romanian in specific, I studied Romanian for a month or two last year and I have a Romanian friend and as she was teaching me some words, I was very surprised to learn that quite a few of them were identical or very similar to the Greek counterparts. They're probably just loanwords, but it was still interesting. The only ones I can remember off the top of my head right now are ντουλάπι/dulap, φούστα/fustă, and παλτό/palton, but I remember several others, including one I tried to find just now which was a Romanian word which I thought meant "slipper" and was quite close to the Greek παντόφλα.


Oddly enough, "pantofla" exists in Italian too ("pantofola"), its meaning being the same as in Romanian, slipper.


Hmm. I suspect a Turkish link here, since all these words also exist in Bulgarian. Modern Greek has as many Turkish loanwords as Bulgarian; dolap (drawer), fusta (skirt), pantof[la] (slipper), all sound distinctly Turkish to my ear. My instinct tells me these are just loanwords in Modern Greek. But that's no proven fact, just my guess :).


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ellasevia
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 Message 19 of 22
23 August 2010 at 12:39am | IP Logged 
I am also suspecting Turkish here. I come across lots of words in Greek which are unrelated to the Ancient Greek counterparts, and I always suspected Turkish, but my grandmother always denied it. I bet she just doesn't want to admit that the Greeks borrowed anything from the Turks.
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 Message 20 of 22
23 August 2010 at 1:06am | IP Logged 
In Czech the word is pantofle. Pantofla is probably from the French 'pantoufle' which seems to have been derived from Old Italian and possibly Medieval Greek according to this site:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pantofle


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 Message 21 of 22
16 September 2010 at 12:04am | IP Logged 
There are many Greek loanwords in the Romance languages.

In the last 2000 years, Greek has also evolved in parallel ways with the Romance languages.

For example has Greek and all these languages developed fairly complex verbal groups consisting of the main verb preceeded by a string of prefix-like enclitic pronouns, adverbs and auxiliaries - sometimes called verb-conjunctive elements.

However, the Romance languages have mostly lost the neuter gender, but Greek has kept it. (Italian still has neuter gender as a minor category, but it is not called so, Rumenian have the same feature but there it is actually called neuter gender).

And Greek has kept some case inflection in nouns, where the Romance languages have lost it, except Rumenian that have a two-case system (nom/acc - gen/dat).

And Greek has lost the infinitive, but the Romance lamguages have not.


Edited by Aquila123 on 23 September 2010 at 3:39pm
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 Message 22 of 22
16 September 2010 at 3:33am | IP Logged 
"Slippers" in Swedish is "tofflor". Seems to be a very common loan word. I guess it was a fancy new technology that spread over the world like wildfire!


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