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| fanatic Octoglot Senior Member Australia speedmathematics.com Joined 7148 days ago 1152 posts - 1818 votes  Speaks: English*, German, French, Afrikaans, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch Studies: Swedish, Norwegian, Polish, Modern Hebrew, Malay, Mandarin, Esperanto | Message 9 of 83 30 January 2006 at 10:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I am still reading all of the material from this site. Thank you very much for letting us know about it.
I would like to try this for myself. I will work my way as fast as I can through a new language course and not speak a word in the language for a couple of months. Apparently I should not only learn more quickly and better, but my accent and pronunciation should be better. I am excited about the concept. Even if it has not been proven, I think it deserves examination. Children do understand well before they speak their first words. Is their pronunciation perfect? By no means, so I am not sure how that fits in with the theory. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 7185 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 10 of 83 31 January 2006 at 4:21am | IP Logged | |||||
However I have heard that when children speak their first words their intonation is already native like. Certainly a lot of sounds need to be developed, however the biggest problem for most adult learners isn't the phonemes of a language it is usually the intonation. I suspect that this approach works very well for developing intonation even if some phonemes later may need special training. I am going to try it as well. In february I plan to spend all my study time just listening to mandarin and not to speak it unless I am in a communicative situation. I still sometimes make annoying tone mistakes in Mandarin and I'm convinced that this is because I haven't yet had a sufficient amount of input. I have also read that chinese children aquire the tones before the phonemes so this should be more support for this theory. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Farley Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7094 days ago 681 posts - 739 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, GermanB1, French Studies: Spanish | Message 11 of 83 31 January 2006 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
You had another interesting post about using Pimsleur over and over again to develop intonation. Perhaps it is only the timing that is incorrect, that is if you start with Pimsleur before listening. I’m going to try much more listening over the next month or two, and then give Pimsleur a second try for accent improvement. Edited by Farley on 31 January 2006 at 12:18pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| fanatic Octoglot Senior Member Australia speedmathematics.com Joined 7148 days ago 1152 posts - 1818 votes Speaks: English*, German, French, Afrikaans, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch Studies: Swedish, Norwegian, Polish, Modern Hebrew, Malay, Mandarin, Esperanto | Message 12 of 83 31 January 2006 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think the method very closely approximates the Assimil language method. The major difference that I see is that Assimil encourages you to speak each lesson out loud from the beginning. Maybe it would be better when studying with Assimil to say nothing during the passive stage of the course.
One of the fears expressed in the literature is that you will develop poor speech habits or use the language incorrectly and get used to hearing yourself speaking the language incorrectly. If you are simply repeating what you hear on the recordings, that doesn't seem to apply. You are speaking correctly without mistake so far as sentence contstruction and grammar are concerned. I will be speaking to language teachers next month at a conference and I will put these ideas to the delegates to consider. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Farley Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7094 days ago 681 posts - 739 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, GermanB1, French Studies: Spanish | Message 13 of 83 31 January 2006 at 4:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think using Assimil in 3 waves is a good idea. 1) Listen and Read 2) Listen and Repeat (Assimil's Passive Wave) 3) Listen and Recreate (Assimil's Active Wave) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 7185 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 14 of 83 31 January 2006 at 5:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yeah I have used Pimsleur and also FSI myself with good results. However there is a problem with these courses in that you get very good at saying the sentences they teach but you might still stumble intonation wise when you go outside of that. At least I do. So I'm going to try a month of intense listening to mandarin without much speaking practice. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| fanatic Octoglot Senior Member Australia speedmathematics.com Joined 7148 days ago 1152 posts - 1818 votes Speaks: English*, German, French, Afrikaans, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch Studies: Swedish, Norwegian, Polish, Modern Hebrew, Malay, Mandarin, Esperanto | Message 15 of 83 31 January 2006 at 5:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
I like the idea. It doesn't have to be with Assimil. I have other language programs which you could use in this way. I began Norwegian last night (which I have never learnt) and see how I go with a completely new language. I taped Sophie's World in Norwegian and I have the Transparent Language Introduction to Norwegian. I think a more comprehensive program like Assimil would be better. If I think I am making progress I might buy the Assimil Norwegian course in either French or German and learn it seriously. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Farley Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7094 days ago 681 posts - 739 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, GermanB1, French Studies: Spanish | Message 16 of 83 31 January 2006 at 9:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
It seems you could use any immersion-based method; Annenberg's and Passport Books' “Listen and Learn” programs come to mind. I listed these links once before months ago, but the URLs have changed, so I'll post them again. Fluent French Audio has two short articles about listening and echoing that are similar to Automatic Language Growth. They emphasize the importance of listening for meaning and sound before speaking. Thinking in French Echoing BTW: Ardaschir agreed that Fluent French Audio’s version of echoing was the same as his method of shadowing. Edited by Farley on 31 January 2006 at 9:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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