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| flatlandllama Diglot Newbie United States Joined 7095 days ago 35 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English*, Vietnamese Studies: Khmer | Message 25 of 83 01 February 2006 at 9:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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and is there any research into this other than on the website\?
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| openthedoor320 Newbie United States Joined 6912 days ago 20 posts - 20 votes | Message 26 of 83 01 February 2006 at 11:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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I hope this site helps.
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| Farley Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7098 days ago 681 posts - 739 votes  1 sounds Speaks: English*, GermanB1, French Studies: Spanish | Message 27 of 83 01 February 2006 at 11:41pm | IP Logged | ||
Using Pimsleur after some listening certainly would not hurt. You could “let” the language in by listening, and then “try” the language in by anticipated response. I thought it was interesting to read how AGL “lets” the language into long-term memory by listening and forming a map of memory images. If you read the method behind Pimsleur, SuperMemo, or a Leitner Box, they aim to build the same memory images through a series of anticipated responses and spaced intervals. Pimsleur scenarios like – you are sitting next to young lady in a train, ask her if she speaks English – certainly provoke memory images. Edited by Farley on 01 February 2006 at 11:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6949 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 28 of 83 03 February 2006 at 11:06am | IP Logged | ||
One can likely also just start with Pimsleur and use it semi-passively the first time around. The way I would envision that is that you try to answer posed questions, but only when the answer comes naturally at the speed required. Otherwise, relax, just wait for them to tell you what the answer is and repeat after them. One can keep going like that without reviewing so long as one can still follow what is going on, i.e., while it's still fun. Otherwise, restart. This would be an alternative to doing each lesson until one can spit out all the answers before moving on to the next. The fast response would instead be accomplished during the second (or later) round, after first absorbing the material passively. Anyway, this is just an idea. I wonder if anyone tried this. Edited by frenkeld on 03 February 2006 at 2:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| flatlandllama Diglot Newbie United States Joined 7095 days ago 35 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English*, Vietnamese Studies: Khmer | Message 29 of 83 05 February 2006 at 10:05am | IP Logged | ||
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has anyone had any experience with a class like this or the one in thailand like that is on the site? Also I can see how this is very similar t ardaschirs approach except one part...that is that ardaschir advocates shadowing(involving speaking) whereas the class is mostly listening until you are supposed to be able to produce sentences naturally...i noticed one other thing though...the site says that they do this so you cna get a handle on the sounds of language from a native speaker rather than yourself...I remember ardaschir saying he likes to keep a foreign accent when speaking other languages...any thoughts on any of this?
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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7211 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 30 of 83 05 February 2006 at 2:32pm | IP Logged | ||
I saved off most of Ardaschir's posts and I thought he said he always shoots for a native accent. As I understood one of his posts on learning technique; he learns to pronouce the material perfectly before he knows what he is saying - and before he looks at the book. I may have misunderstood his post though. It sounds like he has an auditory gift. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| victor Tetraglot Moderator United States Joined 7324 days ago 1098 posts - 1056 votes 6 sounds Speaks: Cantonese*, English, FrenchC1, Mandarin Studies: Spanish Personal Language Map | Message 31 of 83 05 February 2006 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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From what I remember, I think he wanted to get a native accent, but he doesn't mind having a light foreign accent either because it's not always possible.
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| maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 7189 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 32 of 83 07 February 2006 at 2:18am | IP Logged | ||
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Just wanted to add that I'm now convinced that obtaining a native accent beyond the "critical age" of 10 is possible. I recently heard a man interviewed on Swedish radio who spoke Swedish without a trace of foreign accent. He came to Sweden when he was 15, so he started learning well after the supposed critical age. He said that he spent a lot of time listening to the radio. First to childrens program and then to talk radio. So the reason most adult learners fail in this regard is, I think, because they either don't care or their method of learning is incorrect. Edited by maxb on 07 February 2006 at 2:19am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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