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| fortheo Senior Member United States Joined 5037 days ago 187 posts - 222 votes  Studies: French | Message 265 of 451 15 January 2015 at 1:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If I had all those courses I would have so many false starts. It's impressive how dedicated to your courses
you are. I too like the structure and routine of a textbook or program and will probably always use one just to help keep me grounded. Anyways, your progress has been impressive! good luck this year. Edited by fortheo on 15 January 2015 at 1:42pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Suzie Diglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 4230 days ago 155 posts - 226 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Dutch | Message 266 of 451 17 January 2015 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As already said - you have my full admiration. I, too, will patiently wait for your review of all these courses, since I am not doing sufficient coursework right now and will have to add this later - and then benefit so much from your experience!
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| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 267 of 451 18 January 2015 at 5:25am | IP Logged | |||||
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Merci Iolanthe, fortheo et Suzie...
Si on étudie tous les jours à peu près à la même heure du jour on peut alors développer un système avec lequel on accumulera beaucoup d'heures d'études dans une semaine, dans un mois, dans une année. Si on peut se lever tôt le matin à la même heure tous les matins avec un projet clair et des buts clairs aussi, alors ça égalera aussi beaucoup d'heures d'études. Puis si on ajoutera des divertissement pour les loisirs dans sa langue qu'on étudie, alors ça égalera beaucoup plus d'heures. Heuresement j'ai un travail avec lequel je peux travailler le plus souvant le soir, et pour ça c'est plus facile pour moi à développer un bon projet. ------------------------------- Thank you Iolanthe, fortheo, and Suzie If one studies every day around the same time of day one is able to then develop a system with which one can accumulate a lot of study hours within a week, a month, a year. If you can get up early in the morning at the same time every morning with a clear plan and clear goals as well, that too will equal a lot of study hours. Then if you at entertainment for leisure in your language of study, that too will equal a lot more hours. Fortunately I have a job with which I can work mostly in the evening, and for that reason it's easier for me to develop a good plan. ------------------------------- Les cours sont bons pour comprendre les règles, pour développer un bon accent, pour analyser une langue. Mais je dois dire que j'ai l'impression apès que j'ai lu beaucoup d'expériences des autres personnes qui apprennent des langues étrangères que les cours sont seulement un élément d'un ensemble d'activités q'on doit utiliser pour perfectionner tous les aspects d'une langue. il y a pas beaucoup de temps je pensais que j'avais besoin seulement des cours et j'ai voulu parler beaucoup de langues couramment sans faire beaucoup de travail tous les jours. Maintentant puisque j'ai acheté tous ces cours and je les aime plutôt, je veux les utiliser. Et ce n'est pas pour rien, ils vont m'aider. Surtout puisque il y a tellement! ---------------- Courses are good to understand the rules, to develop a good accent, to analyse a language. But I have to say that I have the impression after I've read a lot of experiences from other people who learn foreign languages that courses are only one element of a collection of activities that you should use to perfect all aspects of a language. Not long ago I thought that I only needed courses and I wanted to speak a lot of languages without doing a lot of work every day. Now since I've bought all these courses and I quite like them, I want to use them. And it's not for nothing, they're going to help me. Especially since there are so many! PM 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 268 of 451 24 January 2015 at 4:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
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J'ai décidé d'écrire quelque chose...
1.)J'ai décidé d'écrire dès maintenant en français et en anglais sur HTAL I decided to write from now on in French and in English on HTLAL 2.)Finalllleeeemmeeenttt!!! Toutes mes cartes sont maintenant actives (flashcards), alors j'ai commencé de les utiliser activement. Pour expliquer ; quand j'ai commencé à les utiliser j'ai ajouté beaucoup de mots et j'ai décidé de ne pas revoir les nouvelles cartes tout de suite. Un ou deux mois plus tard j'ai commencé à revoir les cartes et ça a duré un an jusqu'à maintenant pour revoir toutes les nouvelles cartes. Maintenant je peux profiter du système de répétition espacée entièrement. Finalllllllllyyyyyy!!! All my cards are now active (flashcards), so I have started to use them actively. To explain; when I started using them I added a lot of words and I decided to not revew the new cards right away. One or two months later I started to revew the cards and that took a year up until now to review all the new cards. Now I can take advantage of the spaced repetition system properly. 3.) Maintenant j'écoute Pimsleur French IV leçon 25 en conduisant au et du travail en voiture. J'écoute leçon 22 pendant que j'ajoute des nouveaux mots et des phrases comme des exemples pour des vieux mots ou des nouveaux mots à mes cartes (j'ai récemment décidé d'ajouter des exemples des mots à toutes mes cartes du contexte que je les trouve en étudiant avec mes cours de français) Up to Pimsleur French IV lesson 25 while commuting and lagging behind on lesson 22 for typing in new words and example sentences of old words or new words into my flash card deck (i recently decided to add examples to all my cards from the the contexts i come across them in my courses predominantly) French in Action leçon 12 Fluenz French 3 leçon 24 Assimil NFWE 85ème leçon (phase passive) 85th lesson (passive phase) phase active: Je ne me souviens pas - 50 leçons avant je crois active phase: I dont' remember - 50 lessons before i believe note: j'étudie plus ou moins comme actif dans les deux phases. Donc la deuxième phase pour moi est comme révision note: i study more or less as active during the two phases. Therefore the second phase is for me like revision Edited by PeterMollenburg on 24 January 2015 at 4:42pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7206 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 269 of 451 25 January 2015 at 4:17am | IP Logged | |||||
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C'est toujours un beau jour quand vous dites ce que vous faites.
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| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 270 of 451 25 January 2015 at 9:44am | IP Logged | |||||
Merci Monsieur, que tu es très gentil :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 271 of 451 28 January 2015 at 3:01am | IP Logged | |||||
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Occasionally I find a post that I absolutely resonate with. From last November's 6wc
here's a post that I can absolutely relate to (flashcards piss me off to no end, yet I so far refuse to denounce them completely from my study routine as the final verdict on my part has not yet been concluded and is still in deliberations. Nevertheless FC's can be extremely annoying in part).
I don't use Anki. I use Flashcards Deluxe. I have said that I will try Anki, but I am beginning to see that both programs are very similar and that the frustrations pepole have with SRS is apparent to both programs. Furthermore Flashcards Deluxe appears to have more user flexibility, but I could be wrong. On the positive side I've seemingly come up with a system that 'might' be working (at least better than previous 'systems'. I no longer enter words in isolation, as I realised the importance of contextual learning and needed to immitate this with my FC's somewhat. I no longer enter words with a massive rediculous list of translated definitions - as rote learning that kind of rubbish is well rubbish. I don't search dictionaries for example sentences as it's too time consuming. This is what I do: I enter a word as I come across it in my language courses. Here's an example from Assimil's NFWE lesson 86: side 1 (French): -------------- rouillé, rouillée -------------------- I enter any clarifications (if there are differing definitions I only focus on one unless the definitions are very similar, providing clarification for which definition i'm focusing on). I will type [adj or [sub and so on as shortcuts which produce [adjectif] and [substantif] respectively thereby clarifying between two words that either sound the same or are spelled the same. The shortcuts [adje and [iv for example would produce [adjective] and [intransitive verb] on the English side. In the example below it was not required to type the [adj shortcut to produce [adjectif] as there is no similar noun that would lead to any confusion. [cla and [clar respectively produce [clarification : and [clarification: when wanting to hone in on which definition i'm referring to. eg ---------------------------- rouillé, rouillée [clarifcation : objet, fer, botanique] ------------------- Then I provide an example ONLY from the context I've come across it in. If I uncover further examples in my courses I add them as I come across them to the previously created cards. So some cards have multiple examples. Continuing on with the above card, the example from Assimil's NFWE lesson 86 appears like this on the card: ----------------------- rouillé, rouillée [clarification : objet, fer, botanique] (exemple : Alors, qu'est-ce qu'on fait d'une voiture qui est trop vieille, qui est rouillée et dont on ne veut plus ? - On la vend à mon père, mademoiselle !) --------------------------- On side 2 (English) I enter: ------------ rust [clarification: object, iron, botany] (example: So what do people do with a car which is too old, which is rusty and that no-one wants anymore? - They sell it to my father miss!) -------------------------------------- Side 3 : includes phonetic transcription for some but not all words (those I simply find slightly trickier I tend to type the phonetics for). Then I add an abbreviation of the type of word (adjective, noun, etc). For this card, side 3 was like this: -------------- /Ruje/ adj ------------- I don't expect to get the examples completely correct but when I 'do' a card I expect to get the translation correct. If there are multiple translations (shades of meaning, not actually different meanings, then I expect to get some of the translations not all as a few shades of meaning basically sum up the defintion effectively enough. All my cards have downloaded Speech to Text. I used to listen to all of them while working through them, now I don't as I find it quicker to speak myself and better for reproduction and recall when attempting to reproduce the correct phonetics, but I still DL the voice in case I want to use it in the car while driving on auto play (another option) some time. I have a button selected in the options of the deck that renders anything inside the round brackest ( .... ) silent. So that if I do play the audio, the examples don't play and go on forever, just the word and it's clarification, or type eg [verbe pronominal intransitif] to clarify which of many similar words i'm referring to if required. side 3 has no voice for obvious reasons. The main drawback still remains to be the time it takes to create these cards. I often still need to refer to dictionaries with nearly every single new word, even if i know what they mean from my courses as I have to be sure I'm not going to get confused with which definition i'm referring to and whether a word is transitive for example and so on... I'm also taking a lot of time lately to enter example sentences from context in my courses of words i've already created cards for but as yet have no examples as I used to enter them in isolation. Thus this is rather time consuming. I've only recently begun using my deck 'actively' so i'm yet to confirm whether they are in fact helping with recall sufficiently enough to warrant the time it takes to create them. Edited by PeterMollenburg on 28 January 2015 at 3:12am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 272 of 451 28 January 2015 at 3:31am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've decided to enter the 6 week challenge as much of my study is very thoroughly
tracked by myself anyway. I am borderline eligible for this competition as i'm middle intermediate I guess. As expressed in the 6wc thread i'm not content with that rule but not just b/c it rules me out, but i don't agree that advanced learners have an advantage is this is a challenge in which time counts, not pages like the SC. I've been thinking about where I can get extra time for study. One area is during bike riding. There's a couple of issues with this though. One is safety, so I want to get a mirror on my helmet so that I can effectively see behind me much better (the eyes in the back of my head are constantly blocked from hair, i know, stating the obvious, many of us have this issue). A mirror would give back some safety removed by using earphones. I don't ride in a leisurely fashion so heightened safety is necessary, fortunately i'm in a low traffic environment (no traffic lights around here). The second issue is bluetooth, mobile technology on the bike. I use a system that tracks my riding that is all connected with my phone and speed/cadence, heart rate strap and so on. I also have excellent bluetooth wireless headphones (ear bud style) that free you up on a bike very effectively (ie no troublesome wires). But.... I don't like bluetooth anymore... Over the past couple of years I'd estimate I've become increasingly disatissfied with the 'system' around us. I have issues with such things as water fluoridation, vaccinations, cancer treatments, suppression of natural remedies, the pharmaceutical industry, GMO foods, pesticides, sugar, food additives, electromagnetic radiation (mobile phones, their towers, bluetooth, wifi), government rule (puppets controlled by multi national corps), chemtrails, manipulation of people's behaviour through media, sun scare campaigns, and so on.... (This is why I prefer to read 'different' material online a lot that can't be registered for the SC.... Anyway bluetooth is just one gripe, but I want to gradually withdraw from this system of control as much as possible. I'm even toying with the idea of eventually going back to predominantly paperbacks (if they still exist by the time I get through all of my electronic content). We are sheep. Anyone who thinks the government looks out for them is WRONG (even many those in gov't don't realise this). Anyone who thinks television is not harming you is wrong, that EMF radiation is not harming us is wrong, that the medical system is doing it's best to help us is wrong (but many doctors and nurses are unaware or dont'want to deal with the truth), that the nightly news is reporting the truth is wrong (like other professions reporters need to have a wage to feed their families). This whole system on Earth is corruption. Everything is being monitored and manipulated. Anything that is 'sold' to the public as beneficial is worth investigating. Labeling someone like myself as a nut is not open mindedness. Everything deserves critical analysis. Do you trust the source of information? Do you trust the governments speel on tooth decay treated with water fluoridation? Do you trust your mobile phone company's research? Think for yourself, don't let others think for you! Why do I say all this? Because I want to share my personality on my log and not go along with the status quo. Thus getting back to my bike riding - i dont'want to use bluetooth, thus using old school earbuds with a cord and thereby turning my phone to airplane mode, and finding a mirror that does the job could prove tricky. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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