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| anime Triglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6360 days ago 161 posts - 207 votes  Speaks: Spanish, Swedish*, English Studies: German, Portuguese, French, Russian | Message 33 of 44 22 June 2013 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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What do you mean they don't exist? the long a is like f[a]ther, long e like w[ee]d, long o like m[oo]n Edited by anime on 22 June 2013 at 9:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| anime Triglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6360 days ago 161 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Spanish, Swedish*, English Studies: German, Portuguese, French, Russian | Message 34 of 44 22 June 2013 at 9:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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If would also very much appreciate if somebody knew a resource, a PROPER English-persian dictionary, with phonetic transcripts, also preferably more words than the 1000 or whatever words that's in the phrase books.
or French, German, Spanish, Portugese, Swedish, Italian-Persian dictionary, it really doesn't matter, just a language I can read Edited by anime on 22 June 2013 at 10:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cheers100 Newbie China languageloverr.cnRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4196 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English | Message 35 of 44 24 June 2013 at 12:24am | IP Logged | ||
If you hear the audio about the long vowel i.e. salaam. It doesn't exiist in most European languages. I have been fighting to learn this. Edited by cheers100 on 25 June 2013 at 12:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| anime Triglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6360 days ago 161 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Spanish, Swedish*, English Studies: German, Portuguese, French, Russian | Message 36 of 44 24 June 2013 at 11:35am | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah the problem is more remembering when there's supposed to be a closed, long aa like in Fârsi or open
a [æ] like in kardan. often this will be mixed up like in âdam=human, etc, and there doesn't seem to be much of a system to when it's either. Pronouncing the vowels shouldn't be a problem for English speakers though, even if your pronunciation of â is slightly off they should still understand you. It's not Chinese after all. Edited by anime on 24 June 2013 at 11:39am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cheers100 Newbie China languageloverr.cnRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4196 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English | Message 37 of 44 24 June 2013 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am afraid it is not only for Chinese, but the long vowel DOESN'T exist in European
languages at all. I have asked some people who are German, Hungarian, Spanish, American, etc. Their listening is same as me. It sounds like o: But it is wrong. If a person fails to distinguish how it is pronounced exactly, it is unlikely to pronounce correctly. Sorry, I don't believe even Europeans can pronounce it accurately without any effort. (I doubt Europeans can even pronounce it as there is not exact phonetic symbol to match this Persian long vowel. I am afraid if without a native speaker to correct the pronounciation face to face, Europeans cannot pronounce it either. Our ears would cheat what we hear.) You can find a native speaker of Persian's pronounciation first, and then tell us what you hear. Please search Forvo for saa'at which means clock- ساعت Edited by cheers100 on 24 June 2013 at 3:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4859 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 38 of 44 24 June 2013 at 3:58pm | IP Logged | ||
What about Swedish? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cheers100 Newbie China languageloverr.cnRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4196 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English | Message 39 of 44 24 June 2013 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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I don't speak Swedish, and didn't know a Swedish. But you can tell us what phonetic symbol is, and how you pronounce it, so I can tell.
Why not you search a website named Forvo. Several Europeans told me that was either o: or ɒ. If what you hear is same as them, and me, then it doesn't exist in Swedish either. There are pronounciations of native speakers all over the world in that website. It is neither a: for English farther, nor o: in English clock, and nor ɒ in German. A German once very firmly told me it is ɒ. However it is not that either. What we hear will cheat us. I watched the vedio of Professor Arguelles who shadowed a few Mandarin sentences back and forth in Youtube, but we can distingish his pronounciation is foreign even if we close our eyes. I venture to assume that he cannot really distinguish how Mandarin is pronounced, so his pronounciation of Mandarin sounds inaccurate, but we can understand. No offence. He needs a native speaker to tell him how to pronounce. To accurately pronounce a foreign word, it is very necessary to disguish how it is pronounced, that is correct listening. Edited by cheers100 on 24 June 2013 at 4:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| anime Triglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6360 days ago 161 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Spanish, Swedish*, English Studies: German, Portuguese, French, Russian | Message 40 of 44 24 June 2013 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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Can you please give it a rest about the long a. It really doesn't matter, believe me. YOU WILL BE
UNDERSTOOD if you pronounce it like father. I have listened to enough native Persian to know that it's close enough to father not to make a big deal about it Edited by anime on 24 June 2013 at 9:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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